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Date: 18 Nov 2006 18:38:32
From: marc rosen
Subject: another motor question
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Hey All,
I had upgraded my older Delta 14 inch bandsaw to include a riser kit
and a 3/4 hp moter (from its original 1/2 hp). This was done to resaw
many feet of 6 inch pine (and other stuff too). I have not noticed any
difference in cutting ability. In some cases, the newer setup seems
more prone to blade stall than the 1/2 hp. I think the belt is
tensioned properly and the blade tesion is set appropriately too.
Before I buy a new 1hp moter - I got the 3/4 for free - do you think I
could benefit from placing a slightly smaller pulley on the motor side
to deliver more torque?
(Or is speed as necessary as power when resawing?)
Thanks in advance,
Marc
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Date: 19 Nov 2006 00:24:18
From:
Subject: Re: another motor question
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In article <1163903912.759146.326010@k70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com >,
marc rosen <duckbite@qis.net > wrote:
>Hey All,
>I had upgraded my older Delta 14 inch bandsaw to include a riser kit
>and a 3/4 hp moter (from its original 1/2 hp). This was done to resaw
>many feet of 6 inch pine (and other stuff too). I have not noticed any
>difference in cutting ability. In some cases, the newer setup seems
>more prone to blade stall than the 1/2 hp. I think the belt is
>tensioned properly and the blade tesion is set appropriately too.
>Before I buy a new 1hp moter - I got the 3/4 for free - do you think I
>could benefit from placing a slightly smaller pulley on the motor side
>to deliver more torque?
>(Or is speed as necessary as power when resawing?)
>Thanks in advance,
> Marc
>
You mentioned that the 3/4 HP motor was free. Is it possible that it's
a fan motor or some other type of motor less suited to a bandsaw? Is
it same RPM as orignal motor?
--
For every complicated, difficult problem, there is a simple, easy
solution that does not work.
Larry Wasserman - Baltimore Maryland - lwasserm@charm.net
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Date: 19 Nov 2006 15:24:47
From: Toller
Subject: Re: another motor question
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"marc rosen" <duckbite@qis.net > wrote in message
news:1163903912.759146.326010@k70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> Hey All,
> I had upgraded my older Delta 14 inch bandsaw to include a riser kit
> and a 3/4 hp moter (from its original 1/2 hp). This was done to resaw
> many feet of 6 inch pine (and other stuff too). I have not noticed any
> difference in cutting ability. In some cases, the newer setup seems
> more prone to blade stall than the 1/2 hp. I think the belt is
> tensioned properly and the blade tesion is set appropriately too.
> Before I buy a new 1hp moter - I got the 3/4 for free - do you think I
> could benefit from placing a slightly smaller pulley on the motor side
> to deliver more torque?
> (Or is speed as necessary as power when resawing?)
> Thanks in advance,
> Marc
>
All motors are not created equal. Unless it is from a reputable mfg, the
power is more closely related to amperage then mfg's power claim. Measure
the amps on you 3/4 when it is working hard. You may find it is smaller
than your 1/2 hp.
My 1 hp labors on 5" of oak. It would be absurd to put a raiser on an try
8".
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Date: 19 Nov 2006 21:42:15
From: Leuf
Subject: Re: another motor question
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On 18 Nov 2006 18:38:32 -0800, "marc rosen" <duckbite@qis.net > wrote:
>Hey All,
>I had upgraded my older Delta 14 inch bandsaw to include a riser kit
>and a 3/4 hp moter (from its original 1/2 hp). This was done to resaw
>many feet of 6 inch pine (and other stuff too). I have not noticed any
>difference in cutting ability. In some cases, the newer setup seems
>more prone to blade stall than the 1/2 hp. I think the belt is
>tensioned properly and the blade tesion is set appropriately too.
>Before I buy a new 1hp moter - I got the 3/4 for free - do you think I
>could benefit from placing a slightly smaller pulley on the motor side
>to deliver more torque?
The most important thing is the right blade set up properly. What
blade are you using? It should be 4 tpi or less.
It's also possible the blade is getting dull or needs to be cleaned,
which would explain your decreasing perfomance.
That said, my Delta does have a two position pulley with a lower speed
for resawing and it does help. The two speeds are 3300 fpm and 2500
fpm.
-Leuf
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Date: 20 Nov 2006 11:21:33
From: George
Subject: Re: another motor question
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"Leuf" <legend65@dontemailme.com > wrote in message
news:4vu1m25mgla69cfjt0uh2da6am5i3ifk21@4ax.com...
> On 18 Nov 2006 18:38:32 -0800, "marc rosen" <duckbite@qis.net> wrote:
>
>>Hey All,
>>I had upgraded my older Delta 14 inch bandsaw to include a riser kit
>>and a 3/4 hp moter (from its original 1/2 hp). This was done to resaw
>>many feet of 6 inch pine (and other stuff too). I have not noticed any
>>difference in cutting ability. In some cases, the newer setup seems
>>more prone to blade stall than the 1/2 hp. I think the belt is
>>tensioned properly and the blade tesion is set appropriately too.
>>Before I buy a new 1hp moter - I got the 3/4 for free - do you think I
>>could benefit from placing a slightly smaller pulley on the motor side
>>to deliver more torque?
>
> The most important thing is the right blade set up properly. What
> blade are you using? It should be 4 tpi or less.
>
> It's also possible the blade is getting dull or needs to be cleaned,
> which would explain your decreasing perfomance.
Pine. Says resin and lots of it warming and grabbing as the blade passes.
Are you giving a solvent wipe every couple of boards trying to stay even?
Even if it's the friendliest sort - eastern white - it's a problem.
Nevermind tamarack.
Torque, unless you're slowing the motor to the point the starter kicks in
again, should make the smallest difference in a solution that includes
blade, bearings, blocks, tension and feed rate. "Bigger hammer" is a joke
for a reason.
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Date: 20 Nov 2006 06:39:10
From: marc rosen
Subject: Re: another motor question
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Hey Guys,
Thanks for the replies. I could not see the group at home as my
computer died Sunday morning.
The motor (GE, I think) is from a vacuum pump that was not repairable
and it has been known to run for up to 30 days at a time. Speed is
1750 and it can be wired 230 if necessary (and yes, it is turning in
the correct direction too). The vaccuum pump repair company said the
motor was in perfect condition but the vp components would have cost
more than 60 % of a new pump and he advised me to buy a new unit and
keep the motor for a spare drive.
Having said that I will make an amperage check of both motors. Maybe
the vp does not require the torque that sawing demands.
I am using a 3/4 inch, 4 tpi blade. I have not considered resin
buildup but will take that into thought before I cut again. I also do
not hear the motor slow down to the point of the starter click in.
Maybe my problem is not motor stall but belt slippage in spite of my
tension being real tight. I'll check that tonight if I have time.
I have about 20 more boards to cut but if the bandsaw does not work
real well I may end up using my table saw and flipping the boards. I
know that will do the job. Thanks again for your comments.
Marc
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Date: 20 Nov 2006 18:12:59
From: Nova
Subject: Re: another motor question
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marc rosen wrote:
> I am using a 3/4 inch, 4 tpi blade. I have not considered resin
> buildup but will take that into thought before I cut again. I also do
> not hear the motor slow down to the point of the starter click in.
> Maybe my problem is not motor stall but belt slippage in spite of my
> tension being real tight. I'll check that tonight if I have time.
> I have about 20 more boards to cut but if the bandsaw does not work
> real well I may end up using my table saw and flipping the boards. I
> know that will do the job. Thanks again for your comments.
>
Hi Marc,
What brand blade are you using? I have a Grizzly G1019 bandsaw with a
3/4 HP motor. When I first got the saw I was using a 1/2" 3 TPI blade
purchased from Grizzly Tools. I couldn't cut 4" of pine without the
bandsaw bogging down and producing a barreled cut. I have since
switched to Suffolk Timberwolf blades and have resawn 11" of oak
successfully.
Not all blades are equal. I'd try a Timberwolf (faster but rougher cut)
, Highland Hardware "Wood Slicer" (smoother but slower cut), or an Olsen
Pro blade (least expensive).
--
Jack Novak
Buffalo, NY - USA
novasys@verizon.net
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Date: 20 Nov 2006 14:46:16
From: George
Subject: Re: another motor question
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"marc rosen" <duckbite@qis.net > wrote in message
news:1164033549.838454.241730@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com...
> Maybe my problem is not motor stall but belt slippage in spite of my
> tension being real tight. I'll check that tonight if I have time.
> I have about 20 more boards to cut but if the bandsaw does not work
> real well I may end up using my table saw and flipping the boards. I
> know that will do the job. Thanks again for your comments.
>
Most bandsaws will slip the blade on the tires due to loose dust before the
belt slips.
I don't think I'd go loading the belt until I cleaned up the tires and found
things were still inadequate.
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