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Date: 07 Nov 2006 06:53:08
From: Joe Gorman
Subject: New to me plane, Stanley 7G
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Yes there's a NoG7 cast into the bed, but I can't find anything in
Google about it. I'm slowly working my way through the 726 patents
issued on 2-17-20 but thought someone here might have heard of this one.
I'd guess it's one of the innovations that didn't quite make it.
Images, large and small available.
http://people.musc.edu/~gormanj/Stanley7/
Joe
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Date: 07 Nov 2006 13:40:54
From: Joe Gorman
Subject: Re: New to me plane, Stanley 7G
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Joe Gorman wrote:
> Yes there's a NoG7 cast into the bed, but I can't find anything in
> Google about it. I'm slowly working my way through the 726 patents
> issued on 2-17-20 but thought someone here might have heard of this one.
> I'd guess it's one of the innovations that didn't quite make it.
> Images, large and small available.
> http://people.musc.edu/~gormanj/Stanley7/
> Joe
OK, replying to myself but I found the patent for the plane mechanism,
1331280, watch the wrap,
http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2&Sect2=HITOFF&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsearch-adv.htm&r=220&f=G&l=50&d=PALL&s1=19200217.PD.&p=5&OS=isd/02/17/1920&RS=ISD/19200217
or an easier to read version at
http://www.pat2pdf.org/patents/pat1331280.pdf
This lead me to look for Edmund Shade which shows on
http://www.imaging.robarts.ca/~amulder/wood/stanley.html
http://www.frontier.iarc.uaf.edu/~cswingle/archive/get.phtml?message_id=5249&submit_thread=1
search for schade on these pages to find the info about him.
Oh, if you're searching uspto.gov by plane date Class 30 appears to be
hand tools. That speeded up the search quite a bit.
Joe
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Date: 08 Nov 2006 00:38:53
From:
Subject: Re: New to me plane, Stanley 7G
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In article <eiprvb$r9f$1@news04.infoave.net >,
Joe Gorman <gormanj@musc.edu > wrote:
>Yes there's a NoG7 cast into the bed, but I can't find anything in
>Google about it. I'm slowly working my way through the 726 patents
>issued on 2-17-20 but thought someone here might have heard of this one.
> I'd guess it's one of the innovations that didn't quite make it.
>Images, large and small available.
>http://people.musc.edu/~gormanj/Stanley7/
>Joe
Not a Stanley innovation, but it is a desgn that didn't make it,
because Stanley bought the company that made these planes and and
after a time phased this design out. The G statnds for Gage, a
would-be competitor to Stanley. For the short time that Stanley
produced planes using the Gage design, they used numbers like your
plane has, i.e., the regular bench plane size designation with a G
prefix.
--
Often wrong, never in doubt.
Larry Wasserman - Baltimore, Maryland - lwasserm@charm.net
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Date: 08 Nov 2006 07:09:43
From: Joe Gorman
Subject: Re: New to me plane, Stanley 7G
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lwasserm@fellspt.charm.net wrote:
> In article <eiprvb$r9f$1@news04.infoave.net>,
> Joe Gorman <gormanj@musc.edu> wrote:
>> Yes there's a NoG7 cast into the bed, but I can't find anything in
>> Google about it. I'm slowly working my way through the 726 patents
>> issued on 2-17-20 but thought someone here might have heard of this one.
>> I'd guess it's one of the innovations that didn't quite make it.
>> Images, large and small available.
>> http://people.musc.edu/~gormanj/Stanley7/
>> Joe
>
> Not a Stanley innovation, but it is a desgn that didn't make it,
> because Stanley bought the company that made these planes and and
> after a time phased this design out. The G statnds for Gage, a
> would-be competitor to Stanley. For the short time that Stanley
> produced planes using the Gage design, they used numbers like your
> plane has, i.e., the regular bench plane size designation with a G
> prefix.
>
>
Thanks to all. Once I found the patent number and with the gage
reference quite a few references turned up.
For those who've been here a while this one may bring back a memory or
two. It turned up when I had narrowed the search to category 30
http://www.pat2pdf.org/patents/pat1331218.pdf
Made me think of a well intentioned haircut that turned out not so well.
Wonder if there's any relation between them:-)
joe
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Date: 07 Nov 2006 14:53:11
From: Len
Subject: Re: New to me plane, Stanley 7G
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"Joe Gorman" <gormanj@musc.edu > wrote in message
news:eiprvb$r9f$1@news04.infoave.net...
> Yes there's a NoG7 cast into the bed, but I can't find anything
in
> Google about it. I'm slowly working my way through the 726
patents
> issued on 2-17-20 but thought someone here might have heard of
this one.
> I'd guess it's one of the innovations that didn't quite make
it.
> Images, large and small available.
> http://people.musc.edu/~gormanj/Stanley7/
> Joe
It's a Stanley "Gage" (hence the 'G7') Jointer plane, based on a
design developed by John Porcius Gage's company 'Gage Planes &
Tools' before Stanley bought them out. It was later further
developed into the Stanley No. 7 & 7C Jointer Planes, with an
improved blade and cap iron mounting. The No. 7 had a smooth
bottom, the 7C was corrugated.
From the amount of relief on both sides of the blade's cutting
edge, it looks like someone was using it as a 'scrub' plane at
some point in time.
Len
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Date: 07 Nov 2006 15:14:11
From: Joe Gorman
Subject: Re: New to me plane, Stanley 7G
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Len wrote:
> "Joe Gorman" <gormanj@musc.edu> wrote in message
> news:eiprvb$r9f$1@news04.infoave.net...
>> Yes there's a NoG7 cast into the bed, but I can't find anything
> in
>> Google about it. I'm slowly working my way through the 726
> patents
>> issued on 2-17-20 but thought someone here might have heard of
> this one.
>> I'd guess it's one of the innovations that didn't quite make
> it.
>> Images, large and small available.
>> http://people.musc.edu/~gormanj/Stanley7/
>> Joe
>
> It's a Stanley "Gage" (hence the 'G7') Jointer plane, based on a
> design developed by John Porcius Gage's company 'Gage Planes &
> Tools' before Stanley bought them out. It was later further
> developed into the Stanley No. 7 & 7C Jointer Planes, with an
> improved blade and cap iron mounting. The No. 7 had a smooth
> bottom, the 7C was corrugated.
>
> From the amount of relief on both sides of the blade's cutting
> edge, it looks like someone was using it as a 'scrub' plane at
> some point in time.
>
> Len
>
I've gotten a few 6's and 7's that had about the same relief on the
sides. Could they have been doing it for speed with the jointers and
counting on their smoothers for the perfectly flat surface by just
slightly rounding the corners on the smoother?
Joe
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Date: 08 Nov 2006 04:08:31
From: Len
Subject: Re: New to me plane, Stanley 7G
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"Joe Gorman" <gormanj@musc.edu > wrote in message
news:eiqpaq$sli$1@news04.infoave.net...
> Len wrote:
> > "Joe Gorman" <gormanj@musc.edu> wrote in message
> > news:eiprvb$r9f$1@news04.infoave.net...
> >> Yes there's a NoG7 cast into the bed, but I can't find
anything
> > in
> >> Google about it. I'm slowly working my way through the 726
> > patents
> >> issued on 2-17-20 but thought someone here might have heard
of
> > this one.
> >> I'd guess it's one of the innovations that didn't quite
make
> > it.
> >> Images, large and small available.
> >> http://people.musc.edu/~gormanj/Stanley7/
> >> Joe
> >
> > It's a Stanley "Gage" (hence the 'G7') Jointer plane, based
on a
> > design developed by John Porcius Gage's company 'Gage Planes
&
> > Tools' before Stanley bought them out. It was later further
> > developed into the Stanley No. 7 & 7C Jointer Planes, with an
> > improved blade and cap iron mounting. The No. 7 had a smooth
> > bottom, the 7C was corrugated.
> >
> > From the amount of relief on both sides of the blade's
cutting
> > edge, it looks like someone was using it as a 'scrub' plane
at
> > some point in time.
> >
> > Len
> >
> I've gotten a few 6's and 7's that had about the same relief on
the
> sides. Could they have been doing it for speed with the
jointers and
> counting on their smoothers for the perfectly flat surface by
just
> slightly rounding the corners on the smoother?
> Joe
Sounds reasonable to me.
Len
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