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Date: 29 Nov 2006 21:49:49
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Subject: MI5 Persecution: Home Office MI5 Liaison won't comment
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Home Office MI5 Liaison won't comment
I wrote to Jack Straw, Home Secretary, in early 1999, following an article in the Times in which he spoke of his "close
monitoring" of the Security Service. My letter asked him if he had "authorised any surveillance or harassment actions against
me". He didn't reply himself, but passed on my request to the Home Office's Organised and International Crime Directorate
(how appropriate for an international master criminal like myself), and specifically their Intelligence and Security Liaison
Unit. They first made a fairly vacuous response; after further prodding, they made a further response, shown here.
So there you are. Zip the lips, lie low and say nuthin. Open government? That'll be the day.
819
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Date: 29 Nov 2006 22:48:02
From: Doug Miller
Subject: Re: How dangerous are lathes?
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In article <2b874$456e0cb1$cef88bc5$10757@TEKSAVVY.COM >, "Upscale" <upscale@teksavvy.com> wrote:
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>"Doug Miller" <spambait@milmac.com> wrote in message
>>
>> I don't mean to suggest that lathes are vicious, murderous tools, lurking
>in
>> the corner of the shop waiting to leap upon some unsuspecting rookie
>turner
>> and strangle him, but, like *any* power tool, they do have the potential
>to
>> cause serious injury.
>
>Is this where we start talking about the new LatheStop on the market and the
>200 pounds of shielding around the piece of wood being turned to prevent it
>from flying off the spindle and impaling someone in the forehead? Of course,
>maybe it might be more prudent to invest in the BodyStop personal armour.
>:)
I think the IdiotStop that somebody suggested in the SawStop thread might be
more appropriate here... starting with Toller's instructor. "Nobody ever got
hurt on a lathe". Sheesh. What an ignoramus.
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Regards,
Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com)
It's time to throw all their damned tea in the harbor again.
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Date: 03 Dec 2006 10:17:40
From: Puckdropper
Subject: Re: How dangerous are lathes?
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"Upscale" <upscale@teksavvy.com > wrote in
news:2b874$456e0cb1$cef88bc5$10757@TEKSAVVY.COM:
> Is this where we start talking about the new LatheStop on the market
*snip*
I think (but don't quote me on this) that a chuck set sufficiently high
to allow materials to turn on the lathe while still slipping if the
average human resisted could be employed to prevent loose
clothing/wrapping type injuries.
Puckropper
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To email me directly, send a message to puckdropper (at) fastmail.fm
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Date: 03 Dec 2006 02:54:45
From: Prometheus
Subject: Re: How dangerous are lathes?
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On Wed, 29 Nov 2006 17:41:52 -0500, "Upscale" <upscale@teksavvy.com >
wrote:
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>"Doug Miller" <spambait@milmac.com> wrote in message
>>
>> I don't mean to suggest that lathes are vicious, murderous tools, lurking
>in
>> the corner of the shop waiting to leap upon some unsuspecting rookie
>turner
>> and strangle him, but, like *any* power tool, they do have the potential
>to
>> cause serious injury.
>
>Is this where we start talking about the new LatheStop on the market and the
>200 pounds of shielding around the piece of wood being turned to prevent it
>from flying off the spindle and impaling someone in the forehead? Of course,
>maybe it might be more prudent to invest in the BodyStop personal armour.
>:)
You know, that makes me wonder about something I had forgotten about-
In a high school woodshop I saw during a voc. school class a couple of
years ago, all of the lathes had lexan hoods over them that could be
flipped back if needed. Why isn't that standard equipment? Granted,
many of them would probably be removed and go in the corner next to
the table saw guard, but it seems like a good thing to have on when
roughing wood with bark still on it or with uncertain chucking.
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Date: 03 Dec 2006 10:11:29
From: Puckdropper
Subject: Re: How dangerous are lathes?
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Prometheus <prometheus@NOSPAMcharter.net > wrote in
news:uu35n2l2nloae5otfvb8f99nt92d4ctsg2@4ax.com:
> You know, that makes me wonder about something I had forgotten about-
>
> In a high school woodshop I saw during a voc. school class a couple of
> years ago, all of the lathes had lexan hoods over them that could be
> flipped back if needed. Why isn't that standard equipment? Granted,
> many of them would probably be removed and go in the corner next to
> the table saw guard, but it seems like a good thing to have on when
> roughing wood with bark still on it or with uncertain chucking.
It sounds like its negative of reduced access won't impede lathe use much
and could potentially save you from injury once or twice. It's not like
some of those safety guards they put on things (bench grinder) that do
nothing but get in the way.
Puckdropper
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Date: 03 Dec 2006 11:38:17
From: George
Subject: Re: How dangerous are lathes?
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"Puckdropper" <puckdropper@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:4572a2d1$0$97277$892e7fe2@authen.yellow.readfreenews.net...
> Prometheus <prometheus@NOSPAMcharter.net> wrote in
> news:uu35n2l2nloae5otfvb8f99nt92d4ctsg2@4ax.com:
>
>
>> You know, that makes me wonder about something I had forgotten about-
>>
>> In a high school woodshop I saw during a voc. school class a couple of
>> years ago, all of the lathes had lexan hoods over them that could be
>> flipped back if needed. Why isn't that standard equipment? Granted,
>> many of them would probably be removed and go in the corner next to
>> the table saw guard, but it seems like a good thing to have on when
>> roughing wood with bark still on it or with uncertain chucking.
>
> It sounds like its negative of reduced access won't impede lathe use much
> and could potentially save you from injury once or twice. It's not like
> some of those safety guards they put on things (bench grinder) that do
> nothing but get in the way.
Lots of lathes used to come with. Ours had Delta's hybrid of wire cage and
plastic windows. Didn't need the cage behind if it was placed up to the
wall, and the arm that mounted it actually got in the way of doing that.
The plastic windows were a static-plagued joke, and would have become worse
had anyone been allowed to finish on the lathe. They were abandoned when
they were so bad they had to be replaced.
Mechanicals dreamed up to attempt to escape liability for poor human
practice, and probably in full knowledge of their ineffectiveness.
One thing I give them is they would protect the passers-by from the lathe
operation. The person using the lathe, of course, had no reason whatsoever
to be in the fragment zone, nor any cause to turn the equipment on until
firm grip was assured on the main piece.
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