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Date: 04 Dec 2006 20:31:52
From: Argon
Subject: Home Depot - what a bunch of maroons
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as Bugs would say. FWW had a review of spindle sanders in their Tools &
Shops issue. The $200.00 RIDGID took Best Overall *and* Best Value. It
just so happens that I'm interested in making some bandsaw boxes, and
I've had my eye on the RIDGID one for a long time, so I had to run out
to Home Depot and buy one. :-)
So I ask the guy where the sanding spindles are, because I want to get
some extras. He says, "We don't carry any spindles except we have this
one pack" -- and he drags out an old shopworn plastic bag of sanding
spindles for the Ryobi, which they also sell. So I ask him if they will
be getting some in, and he says, "No, we don't carry them at all."
I'm thinking why on earth would somebody sell a sander with a lifetime
guarantee and not sell the sanding spindles for it?
None were to be found on the HD web site when I searched for "sanding
spindles" or "sanding sleeves." Klingspors has a wide variety, of
course.
Just another chapter in the story of the long, slow slide of HD into
irrelevance.
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Date: 04 Dec 2006 23:20:49
From: Mark & Juanita
Subject: Re: Home Depot - what a bunch of maroons
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On Mon, 04 Dec 2006 20:31:52 -0700, Argon <arg@arg.org > wrote:
>as Bugs would say. FWW had a review of spindle sanders in their Tools &
>Shops issue. The $200.00 RIDGID took Best Overall *and* Best Value. It
>just so happens that I'm interested in making some bandsaw boxes, and
>I've had my eye on the RIDGID one for a long time, so I had to run out
>to Home Depot and buy one. :-)
>
>So I ask the guy where the sanding spindles are, because I want to get
>some extras. He says, "We don't carry any spindles except we have this
>one pack" -- and he drags out an old shopworn plastic bag of sanding
>spindles for the Ryobi, which they also sell. So I ask him if they will
>be getting some in, and he says, "No, we don't carry them at all."
>
>I'm thinking why on earth would somebody sell a sander with a lifetime
>guarantee and not sell the sanding spindles for it?
>
>None were to be found on the HD web site when I searched for "sanding
>spindles" or "sanding sleeves." Klingspors has a wide variety, of
>course.
>
>Just another chapter in the story of the long, slow slide of HD into
>irrelevance.
Well, that certainly helps explain why their stock price hasn't moved for
the last 4+ years. :-(
Buy high, sell low, that's *my* investment strategy. Well, maybe not
strategy so much as reality.
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If you're gonna be dumb, you better be tough
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Date: 04 Dec 2006 21:46:25
From: Steve
Subject: Re: Home Depot - what a bunch of maroons
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Argon wrote:
> as Bugs would say. FWW had a review of spindle sanders in their Tools &
> Shops issue. The $200.00 RIDGID took Best Overall *and* Best Value. It
> just so happens that I'm interested in making some bandsaw boxes, and
> I've had my eye on the RIDGID one for a long time, so I had to run out
> to Home Depot and buy one. :-)
>
> So I ask the guy where the sanding spindles are, because I want to get
> some extras. He says, "We don't carry any spindles except we have this
> one pack" -- and he drags out an old shopworn plastic bag of sanding
> spindles for the Ryobi, which they also sell. So I ask him if they will
> be getting some in, and he says, "No, we don't carry them at all."
>
> I'm thinking why on earth would somebody sell a sander with a lifetime
> guarantee and not sell the sanding spindles for it?
>
> None were to be found on the HD web site when I searched for "sanding
> spindles" or "sanding sleeves." Klingspors has a wide variety, of
> course.
>
> Just another chapter in the story of the long, slow slide of HD into
> irrelevance.
Are you talking about the RIDGID Oscillating Edge/Belt Spindle Sander,
Model EB4424? It uses (according to the Home Depot web site) a 4 x 24"
belt, of the type used on hand-held belt sanders. Should be available
just about anywhere (except Home Depot of course!)
--Steve
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Date: 05 Dec 2006 05:01:53
From: J. Clarke
Subject: Re: Home Depot - what a bunch of maroons
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On Mon, 04 Dec 2006 20:24:00 -0800, MUSTANGS7981 wrote:
> How about they are "morons" not the color maroon :-)
How about you take that up with Warner Brothers. Or are you unfamiliar
with the cartoon character "Bugs Bunny", one of whose catchphrases is
"what a maroon"? Note--not "what a moron", he clearly and distinctly
pronounces the long-double-oh sound.
>> Argon wrote:
>> as Bugs would say. FWW had a review of spindle sanders in their Tools &
>> Shops issue. The $200.00 RIDGID took Best Overall *and* Best Value. It
>> just so happens that I'm interested in making some bandsaw boxes, and
>> I've had my eye on the RIDGID one for a long time, so I had to run out
>> to Home Depot and buy one. :-)
>>
>> So I ask the guy where the sanding spindles are, because I want to get
>> some extras. He says, "We don't carry any spindles except we have this
>> one pack" -- and he drags out an old shopworn plastic bag of sanding
>> spindles for the Ryobi, which they also sell. So I ask him if they will
>> be getting some in, and he says, "No, we don't carry them at all."
>>
>> I'm thinking why on earth would somebody sell a sander with a lifetime
>> guarantee and not sell the sanding spindles for it?
>>
>> None were to be found on the HD web site when I searched for "sanding
>> spindles" or "sanding sleeves." Klingspors has a wide variety, of
>> course.
>>
>> Just another chapter in the story of the long, slow slide of HD into
>> irrelevance.
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Date: 05 Dec 2006 20:20:29
From: Buddy Matlosz
Subject: Re: Home Depot - what a bunch of maroons
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"J. Clarke" <Jclarke.usenet@cox.net > wrote in message
news:el2ug111bi7@news3.newsguy.com...
> On Mon, 04 Dec 2006 20:24:00 -0800, MUSTANGS7981 wrote:
>
> > How about they are "morons" not the color maroon :-)
>
> How about you take that up with Warner Brothers. Or are you unfamiliar
> with the cartoon character "Bugs Bunny", one of whose catchphrases is
> "what a maroon"? Note--not "what a moron", he clearly and distinctly
> pronounces the long-double-oh sound.
>
Right from the wabbit's mouth:
http://www.earthstation1.com/WBCartoonFiles/WB_Wavs/maroon.wav
B.
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Date: 05 Dec 2006 05:01:52
From: J. Clarke
Subject: Re: Home Depot - what a bunch of maroons
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On Mon, 04 Dec 2006 20:31:52 -0700, Argon wrote:
> as Bugs would say. FWW had a review of spindle sanders in their Tools &
> Shops issue. The $200.00 RIDGID took Best Overall *and* Best Value. It
> just so happens that I'm interested in making some bandsaw boxes, and
> I've had my eye on the RIDGID one for a long time, so I had to run out
> to Home Depot and buy one. :-)
>
> So I ask the guy where the sanding spindles are, because I want to get
> some extras. He says, "We don't carry any spindles except we have this
> one pack" -- and he drags out an old shopworn plastic bag of sanding
> spindles for the Ryobi, which they also sell.
I don't know why everybody complains about this--the Ryobi spindles work
fine, they're about as cheap as spindles get (try to find another set for
less), and they're in standard sizes--there's nothing magic about the
Ridgid that makes it require a special spindle.
> So I ask him if they will
> be getting some in, and he says, "No, we don't carry them at all."
>
> I'm thinking why on earth would somebody sell a sander with a lifetime
> guarantee and not sell the sanding spindles for it?
Would you be this upset if those spindles came in a package that said
"Norton" or "3M" on it instead of "Ryobi"?
> None were to be found on the HD web site when I searched for "sanding
> spindles" or "sanding sleeves." Klingspors has a wide variety, of
> course.
You won't find them on the Ridgid web site either.
> Just another chapter in the story of the long, slow slide of HD into
> irrelevance.
I'm sorry, while I loathe Home Depot this seems to me to be complaining
for the sake of complaining. If you think Ridgid should go into the
sandpaper business you really should take the matter up with them.
Main thing Klingspor gets you over Ryobi is choice of grits.
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Date: 04 Dec 2006 20:47:24
From:
Subject: Re: Home Depot - what a bunch of maroons
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Argon wrote:
> I'm thinking why on earth would somebody sell a sander with a lifetime
> guarantee and not sell the sanding spindles for it?
As Homer would say: "I dunno....Innernet?"
I think it's one of those things where they want to cover the bases by
having one for sale, but they figure too few of them will sell to
justify carrying spindles. They don't carry many of the machines in
stock either.
I'm interested in one of those sanders too. Perhaps we should both
email Home Depot and Ridgid.
Mike
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Date: 04 Dec 2006 20:24:00
From:
Subject: Re: Home Depot - what a bunch of maroons
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How about they are "morons" not the color maroon :-)
Argon wrote:
> as Bugs would say. FWW had a review of spindle sanders in their Tools &
> Shops issue. The $200.00 RIDGID took Best Overall *and* Best Value. It
> just so happens that I'm interested in making some bandsaw boxes, and
> I've had my eye on the RIDGID one for a long time, so I had to run out
> to Home Depot and buy one. :-)
>
> So I ask the guy where the sanding spindles are, because I want to get
> some extras. He says, "We don't carry any spindles except we have this
> one pack" -- and he drags out an old shopworn plastic bag of sanding
> spindles for the Ryobi, which they also sell. So I ask him if they will
> be getting some in, and he says, "No, we don't carry them at all."
>
> I'm thinking why on earth would somebody sell a sander with a lifetime
> guarantee and not sell the sanding spindles for it?
>
> None were to be found on the HD web site when I searched for "sanding
> spindles" or "sanding sleeves." Klingspors has a wide variety, of
> course.
>
> Just another chapter in the story of the long, slow slide of HD into
> irrelevance.
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Date: 04 Dec 2006 23:17:40
From: todd
Subject: Re: Home Depot - what a bunch of maroons
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Too young to watch Bugs Bunny on Satuday mornings, eh?
todd
<MUSTANGS7981@HOTMAIL.COM > wrote in message
news:1165292640.563513.316960@j44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> How about they are "morons" not the color maroon :-)
> Argon wrote:
>> as Bugs would say. FWW had a review of spindle sanders in their Tools &
>> Shops issue. The $200.00 RIDGID took Best Overall *and* Best Value. It
>> just so happens that I'm interested in making some bandsaw boxes, and
>> I've had my eye on the RIDGID one for a long time, so I had to run out
>> to Home Depot and buy one. :-)
>>
>> So I ask the guy where the sanding spindles are, because I want to get
>> some extras. He says, "We don't carry any spindles except we have this
>> one pack" -- and he drags out an old shopworn plastic bag of sanding
>> spindles for the Ryobi, which they also sell. So I ask him if they will
>> be getting some in, and he says, "No, we don't carry them at all."
>>
>> I'm thinking why on earth would somebody sell a sander with a lifetime
>> guarantee and not sell the sanding spindles for it?
>>
>> None were to be found on the HD web site when I searched for "sanding
>> spindles" or "sanding sleeves." Klingspors has a wide variety, of
>> course.
>>
>> Just another chapter in the story of the long, slow slide of HD into
>> irrelevance.
>
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Date: 05 Dec 2006 13:09:53
From: B A R R Y
Subject: Re: Home Depot - what a bunch of maroons
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MUSTANGS7981@HOTMAIL.COM wrote:
> How about they are "morons" not the color maroon :-)
Bugs Bunny used to say "What a maroon!"
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Date: 06 Dec 2006 03:16:38
From: CW
Subject: Re: Home Depot - what a bunch of maroons
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Not a Bugs Bunny fan, I take it.
<MUSTANGS7981@HOTMAIL.COM > wrote in message
news:1165292640.563513.316960@j44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> How about they are "morons" not the color maroon :-)
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Date: 05 Dec 2006 17:32:10
From: Stinky
Subject: Re: Home Depot - what a bunch of maroons
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On 4 Dec 2006 20:24:00 -0800, MUSTANGS7981@HOTMAIL.COM wrote:
Maroon is a polite way of saying MORON.
Stinky
>How about they are "morons" not the color maroon :-)
>Argon wrote:
>> as Bugs would say. FWW had a review of spindle sanders in their Tools &
>> Shops issue. The $200.00 RIDGID took Best Overall *and* Best Value. It
>> just so happens that I'm interested in making some bandsaw boxes, and
>> I've had my eye on the RIDGID one for a long time, so I had to run out
>> to Home Depot and buy one. :-)
>>
>> So I ask the guy where the sanding spindles are, because I want to get
>> some extras. He says, "We don't carry any spindles except we have this
>> one pack" -- and he drags out an old shopworn plastic bag of sanding
>> spindles for the Ryobi, which they also sell. So I ask him if they will
>> be getting some in, and he says, "No, we don't carry them at all."
>>
>> I'm thinking why on earth would somebody sell a sander with a lifetime
>> guarantee and not sell the sanding spindles for it?
>>
>> None were to be found on the HD web site when I searched for "sanding
>> spindles" or "sanding sleeves." Klingspors has a wide variety, of
>> course.
>>
>> Just another chapter in the story of the long, slow slide of HD into
>> irrelevance.
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Date: 06 Dec 2006 20:42:53
From: John McCoy
Subject: Re: Home Depot - what a bunch of maroons
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Stinky <stinky@yougo.net > wrote in news:390cn2dmcik2rmjdl15uasp3hh3dbm71l5@
4ax.com:
> On 4 Dec 2006 20:24:00 -0800, MUSTANGS7981@HOTMAIL.COM wrote:
>
> Maroon is a polite way of saying MORON.
No, it's not. It's a contraction of "cimaroon", which in turn is an
Anglized version of "cimarrones", which is a Spanish term for escaped
slaves.
It's not really a politically correct term any more, but the censors
seem to be too busy cutting out all the occurances of Yosemite Sam
blowing himself up to worry about Bugs's language.
John
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Date: 10 Dec 2006 02:49:12
From: Henry St.Pierre
Subject: Re: Home Depot - what a bunch of maroons
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Stinky <stinky@yougo.net > wrote in
news:390cn2dmcik2rmjdl15uasp3hh3dbm71l5@4ax.com:
> On 4 Dec 2006 20:24:00 -0800, MUSTANGS7981@HOTMAIL.COM wrote:
>
> Maroon is a polite way of saying MORON.
>
> Stinky
>
>
>>How about they are "morons" not the color maroon :-)
>>Argon wrote:
>>> as Bugs would say. FWW had a review of spindle sanders in their Tools
&
>>> Shops issue. The $200.00 RIDGID took Best Overall *and* Best Value.
It
>>> just so happens that I'm interested in making some bandsaw boxes, and
>>> I've had my eye on the RIDGID one for a long time, so I had to run
out
>>> to Home Depot and buy one. :-)
>>>
>>> So I ask the guy where the sanding spindles are, because I want to
get
>>> some extras. He says, "We don't carry any spindles except we have
this
>>> one pack" -- and he drags out an old shopworn plastic bag of sanding
>>> spindles for the Ryobi, which they also sell. So I ask him if they
will
>>> be getting some in, and he says, "No, we don't carry them at all."
>>>
>>> I'm thinking why on earth would somebody sell a sander with a
lifetime
>>> guarantee and not sell the sanding spindles for it?
>>>
>>> None were to be found on the HD web site when I searched for "sanding
>>> spindles" or "sanding sleeves." Klingspors has a wide variety, of
>>> course.
>>>
>>> Just another chapter in the story of the long, slow slide of HD into
>>> irrelevance.
>
>
But is Argon that clever?
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Date: 04 Dec 2006 20:12:05
From: Robatoy
Subject: Re: Home Depot - what a bunch of maroons
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On Dec 4, 10:31 pm, Argon <a...@arg.org > wrote:
[snip]
>
> Just another chapter in the story of the long, slow slide of HD into
> irrelevance.
The HD here doesn't even carry 6" hook 'n loop sandpaper for their own
RIDGID ROS.
They also tried to sell me an extended warranty for a tool with
life-time warranty...no joke.
Slipping fast.
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Date: 05 Dec 2006 16:00:04
From: J. Clarke
Subject: Re: Home Depot - what a bunch of maroons
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On Mon, 04 Dec 2006 21:46:25 -0800, Steve wrote:
> Argon wrote:
>> as Bugs would say. FWW had a review of spindle sanders in their Tools &
>> Shops issue. The $200.00 RIDGID took Best Overall *and* Best Value. It
>> just so happens that I'm interested in making some bandsaw boxes, and
>> I've had my eye on the RIDGID one for a long time, so I had to run out
>> to Home Depot and buy one. :-)
>>
>> So I ask the guy where the sanding spindles are, because I want to get
>> some extras. He says, "We don't carry any spindles except we have this
>> one pack" -- and he drags out an old shopworn plastic bag of sanding
>> spindles for the Ryobi, which they also sell. So I ask him if they will
>> be getting some in, and he says, "No, we don't carry them at all."
>>
>> I'm thinking why on earth would somebody sell a sander with a lifetime
>> guarantee and not sell the sanding spindles for it?
>>
>> None were to be found on the HD web site when I searched for "sanding
>> spindles" or "sanding sleeves." Klingspors has a wide variety, of
>> course.
>>
>> Just another chapter in the story of the long, slow slide of HD into
>> irrelevance.
>
> Are you talking about the RIDGID Oscillating Edge/Belt Spindle Sander,
> Model EB4424? It uses (according to the Home Depot web site) a 4 x 24"
> belt, of the type used on hand-held belt sanders. Should be available
> just about anywhere (except Home Depot of course!)
It uses a belt with the belt adapter but it also uses standard 4-1/2"
spindles in various diameters. Sears (across the street from HD here) has
belts in stock that will fit (so does HD for that matter) but I got a
bargain box from Klingspor which gives me more belts than I'm probably
ever going to use.
> --Steve
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Date: 05 Dec 2006 05:55:01
From: Robatoy
Subject: Re: Home Depot - what a bunch of maroons
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Mark & Juanita wrote:
> Well, that certainly helps explain why their stock price hasn't moved for
> the last 4+ years. :-(
>
> Buy high, sell low, that's *my* investment strategy. Well, maybe not
> strategy so much as reality.
>
Home Depot. Whose idea has come....and gone. The local store is now
hiring out of Future Shop and Best Buy.... what does that tell you?
Soon they'll be luring away Burger King employees.
You can only fool people for so long... (no sirreee..not a statement
about politics.. no no no.)
Yup, they move into town, kill off the blood and guts that went into
the brick & mortar family owned stores... and move on.
r
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Date: 05 Dec 2006 10:31:15
From: Chris Dubea
Subject: Re: Home Depot - what a bunch of maroons
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On 5 Dec 2006 05:55:01 -0800, "Robatoy" <design@topworks.ca > wrote:
>
>Mark & Juanita wrote:
>
>Yup, they move into town, kill off the blood and guts that went into
>the brick & mortar family owned stores... and move on.
>
>r
This strategy was perfected by WalMart 20 years ago when they
decimated rural communities and then abandoned them.
===========================================================================
Chris
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Date: 05 Dec 2006 10:44:55
From: Swingman
Subject: Re: Home Depot - what a bunch of maroons
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"Chris Dubea" wrote in message
> This strategy was perfected by WalMart 20 years ago when they
> decimated rural communities and then abandoned them.
I just spent the better part of a week in a small AR town whose entire
cultural center revolved around a Wal-Mart SuperCenter and an Atwoods (farm
& ranch version of Harbor Freight).
Further proof of the BORG insidious assimilation being ingrained and
complete: even for this country boy, around the third day and the sixth
visit to each, I found myself looking forward to going again ...
Sad ...
--
www.e-woodshop.net
Last update: 10/29/06
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Date: 05 Dec 2006 17:49:03
From: Mike Marlow
Subject: Re: Home Depot - what a bunch of maroons
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"Chris Dubea" <cdubea@movingpart.com > wrote in message
news:hi0bn2l7j7tf3qacsr5778o7ns8j52ruco@4ax.com...
>
> On 5 Dec 2006 05:55:01 -0800, "Robatoy" <design@topworks.ca> wrote:
>
> >
> >Mark & Juanita wrote:
> >
> >Yup, they move into town, kill off the blood and guts that went into
> >the brick & mortar family owned stores... and move on.
> >
> >r
>
> This strategy was perfected by WalMart 20 years ago when they
> decimated rural communities and then abandoned them.
>
Where do you see Wal Mart and Home Depot pull out of town after they have
"decimated" them?
--
-Mike-
mmarlowREMOVE@alltel.net
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Date: 05 Dec 2006 14:58:01
From: Mike 'Flyin'8'
Subject: Re: Home Depot - what a bunch of maroons
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Bixby, Oklahoma for one...
On Tue, 5 Dec 2006 17:49:03 -0500, "Mike Marlow" <mmarlow@alltel.net >
wrote:
>
>"Chris Dubea" <cdubea@movingpart.com> wrote in message
>news:hi0bn2l7j7tf3qacsr5778o7ns8j52ruco@4ax.com...
>>
>> On 5 Dec 2006 05:55:01 -0800, "Robatoy" <design@topworks.ca> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >Mark & Juanita wrote:
>> >
>> >Yup, they move into town, kill off the blood and guts that went into
>> >the brick & mortar family owned stores... and move on.
>> >
>> >r
>>
>> This strategy was perfected by WalMart 20 years ago when they
>> decimated rural communities and then abandoned them.
>>
>
>Where do you see Wal Mart and Home Depot pull out of town after they have
>"decimated" them?
Mike Alexander
PP-ASEL
Temecula, CA
See my online aerial photo album at
http://flying.4alexanders.com
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Date: 06 Dec 2006 01:13:12
From: Nova
Subject: Re: Home Depot - what a bunch of maroons
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Mike 'Flyin'8' wrote:
> Bixby, Oklahoma for one...
>
> On Tue, 5 Dec 2006 17:49:03 -0500, "Mike Marlow" <mmarlow@alltel.net>
> wrote:
>
>>Where do you see Wal Mart and Home Depot pull out of town after they have
>>"decimated" them?
Bixby is a suburb of Tulsa. It looks like Home Depot still has eight
stores in the Tulsa area.
--
Jack Novak
Buffalo, NY - USA
novasys@verizon.net
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Date: 06 Dec 2006 11:04:39
From: M Berger
Subject: Re: Home Depot - what a bunch of maroons
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I'm not sure that means anything. In the Chicago suburban
area, going to a store in a nearby suburb can easily be a
half hour drive. Gurnee is a suburb of Chicago. But it's
also about 40 miles north.
And Wal Marts have closed after just a few years when they
felt the store volume wasn't sufficient. Unfortunately the
small businesses that closed don't generally come right back.
Nova wrote:
> Mike 'Flyin'8' wrote:
>> Bixby, Oklahoma for one...
>>
>> On Tue, 5 Dec 2006 17:49:03 -0500, "Mike Marlow" <mmarlow@alltel.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Where do you see Wal Mart and Home Depot pull out of town after they
>>> have
>>> "decimated" them?
>
> Bixby is a suburb of Tulsa. It looks like Home Depot still has eight
> stores in the Tulsa area.
>
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Date: 07 Dec 2006 15:14:18
From: Locutus
Subject: Re: Home Depot - what a bunch of maroons
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"M Berger" <berger@shout.net > wrote in message
news:el6t76$ahp$1@roundup.shout.net...
> I'm not sure that means anything. In the Chicago suburban
> area, going to a store in a nearby suburb can easily be a
> half hour drive. Gurnee is a suburb of Chicago. But it's
> also about 40 miles north.
>
> And Wal Marts have closed after just a few years when they
> felt the store volume wasn't sufficient. Unfortunately the
> small businesses that closed don't generally come right back.
>
> Nova wrote:
>> Mike 'Flyin'8' wrote:
>>> Bixby, Oklahoma for one...
>>>
>>> On Tue, 5 Dec 2006 17:49:03 -0500, "Mike Marlow" <mmarlow@alltel.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Where do you see Wal Mart and Home Depot pull out of town after they
>>>> have
>>>> "decimated" them?
>>
>> Bixby is a suburb of Tulsa. It looks like Home Depot still has eight
>> stores in the Tulsa area.
>>
I love how almost any topic concerning HD or Walmart turns into a flame
war....
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Date: 08 Dec 2006 20:29:34
From: Brian Henderson
Subject: Re: Home Depot - what a bunch of maroons
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On Thu, 7 Dec 2006 15:14:18 -0500, "Locutus"
<locutus_atai@hotmail.com > wrote:
>I love how almost any topic concerning HD or Walmart turns into a flame
>war....
It's because you've got the people on one side with facts and logic,
facing off against the anti-Walmart whiners on the other who can't
think, only react emotionally.
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Date: 05 Dec 2006 18:41:01
From: Mike Marlow
Subject: Re: Home Depot - what a bunch of maroons
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"Mike 'Flyin'8'" <yeah.right@guess.again > wrote in message
news:taubn2l391d58bokrcjcs5bsnt99ug54t4@4ax.com...
> Bixby, Oklahoma for one...
>
So what you're saying is that Wal Mart or Home Depot moved into Bixby, drove
out all of the mom-n-pop businesses (which has been demonstrated to be a
falisy, but we'll assume it for the sake of the discussion), and then having
successfully closed down all of these salt of the earth businesses, pulled
out of Bixby themselves?
--
-Mike-
mmarlowREMOVE@alltel.net
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Date: 05 Dec 2006 17:12:15
From: Mike 'Flyin'8'
Subject: Re: Home Depot - what a bunch of maroons
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To make sure there is no hidden words in your text that I am missing,
I will write it out in exact terms...
-It is a fact that Wal Mart moved into Bixby.
-It is a fact that shortly there after, a large number of the small
privately owned retailers (Mom and Pop shops if you will) located in
and near the town closed up shop and ceased to operate as a business
entity.
-It is a fact, that less than 5 years after opening, Wal Mart pulled
up stakes and left.
Those are the facts of one small rural town. Call it a falisy if you
like.
To say ALL mom and pop shops are gone is not accurate. This is most
likely true in ANY of the cases... But it certainly did have a
negative impact on the number of small retailers in the town.
>
>"Mike 'Flyin'8'" <yeah.right@guess.again> wrote in message
>news:taubn2l391d58bokrcjcs5bsnt99ug54t4@4ax.com...
>
>> Bixby, Oklahoma for one...
>>
>
>So what you're saying is that Wal Mart or Home Depot moved into Bixby, drove
>out all of the mom-n-pop businesses (which has been demonstrated to be a
>falisy, but we'll assume it for the sake of the discussion), and then having
>successfully closed down all of these salt of the earth businesses, pulled
>out of Bixby themselves?
Mike Alexander
PP-ASEL
Temecula, CA
See my online aerial photo album at
http://flying.4alexanders.com
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Date: 05 Dec 2006 21:13:48
From: Doug Brown
Subject: Re: Home Depot - what a bunch of maroons
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OK, please lets try and get it right - the word is "fallacy".
"Mike 'Flyin'8'" <yeah.right@guess.again > wrote in message
news:9n5cn2p6avft7vc7ufs628lbgbsn2mipup@4ax.com...
> To make sure there is no hidden words in your text that I am missing,
> I will write it out in exact terms...
>
> -It is a fact that Wal Mart moved into Bixby.
> -It is a fact that shortly there after, a large number of the small
> privately owned retailers (Mom and Pop shops if you will) located in
> and near the town closed up shop and ceased to operate as a business
> entity.
> -It is a fact, that less than 5 years after opening, Wal Mart pulled
> up stakes and left.
>
> Those are the facts of one small rural town. Call it a falisy if you
> like.
>
> To say ALL mom and pop shops are gone is not accurate. This is most
> likely true in ANY of the cases... But it certainly did have a
> negative impact on the number of small retailers in the town.
>
>>
>>"Mike 'Flyin'8'" <yeah.right@guess.again> wrote in message
>>news:taubn2l391d58bokrcjcs5bsnt99ug54t4@4ax.com...
>>
>>> Bixby, Oklahoma for one...
>>>
>>
>>So what you're saying is that Wal Mart or Home Depot moved into Bixby,
>>drove
>>out all of the mom-n-pop businesses (which has been demonstrated to be a
>>falisy, but we'll assume it for the sake of the discussion), and then
>>having
>>successfully closed down all of these salt of the earth businesses, pulled
>>out of Bixby themselves?
>
>
> Mike Alexander
> PP-ASEL
> Temecula, CA
> See my online aerial photo album at
> http://flying.4alexanders.com
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Date: 06 Dec 2006 06:58:58
From: Mike Marlow
Subject: Re: Home Depot - what a bunch of maroons
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"Doug Brown" <doug.brown@sasktel.net > wrote in message
news:12ncdd04ccd71d5@corp.supernews.com...
> OK, please lets try and get it right - the word is "fallacy".
Correction noted and appreciated.
--
-Mike-
mmarlowREMOVE@alltel.net
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Date: 06 Dec 2006 17:20:06
From: Mike 'Flyin'8'
Subject: Re: Home Depot - what a bunch of maroons
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>OK, please lets try and get it right - the word is "fallacy".
Engineer not an English major... Either way, the point was made.
Mike Alexander
PP-ASEL
Temecula, CA
See my online aerial photo album at
http://flying.4alexanders.com
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Date: 06 Dec 2006 22:57:49
From: Doug Brown
Subject: Re: Home Depot - what a bunch of maroons
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I'm not an English major either it's just that the language can be quite
elegant when used properly and very cumbersome when used haphazardly.
"Mike 'Flyin'8'" <yeah.right@guess.again > wrote in message
news:91ren2pjd52s5uhb60b81dcli3o80860mk@4ax.com...
> >OK, please lets try and get it right - the word is "fallacy".
>
> Engineer not an English major... Either way, the point was made.
>
> Mike Alexander
> PP-ASEL
> Temecula, CA
> See my online aerial photo album at
> http://flying.4alexanders.com
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Date: 06 Dec 2006 06:58:18
From: Mike Marlow
Subject: Re: Home Depot - what a bunch of maroons
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"Mike 'Flyin'8'" <yeah.right@guess.again > wrote in message
news:9n5cn2p6avft7vc7ufs628lbgbsn2mipup@4ax.com...
> To make sure there is no hidden words in your text that I am missing,
> I will write it out in exact terms...
>
Thanks - that makes your comment from the previous post easier to
understand - lends context.
> -It is a fact that Wal Mart moved into Bixby.
> -It is a fact that shortly there after, a large number of the small
> privately owned retailers (Mom and Pop shops if you will) located in
> and near the town closed up shop and ceased to operate as a business
> entity.
> -It is a fact, that less than 5 years after opening, Wal Mart pulled
> up stakes and left.
I'd sure have to understand more about this decision to close a brand new
Wal Mart. This is an anomoly in the world of Wal Mart. There certainly had
to be factors surrounding the decision to close this particular store that
you left out, either because you're not aware of them or you are trying to
skew a point by limiting the "facts" to an abreviated list of occurances.
>
> Those are the facts of one small rural town. Call it a falisy if you
> like.
>
Never said that your claim was false. What I said was that the ever-present
"drove all of the mom-n-pops out of business" was a false claim. In fact,
every place that a Wal Mart or a Home Depot exist, small business exists too
which compete at some level with the Wal Mart or the Home Depot. I've
posted here before that Ace Hardware tells their franchise owners who are
worried about a new Wal Mart coming into their area that the best thing that
could happen for their business is that Wal Mart would open right across the
street from them.
> To say ALL mom and pop shops are gone is not accurate. This is most
> likely true in ANY of the cases... But it certainly did have a
> negative impact on the number of small retailers in the town.
>
As in the case of many locations, some small businesses do fold when a big
store moves in. They typically don't have the ability to compete with
anyone, let alone Wal Mart, because they only existed based on a
stranglehold they had on the area prior to Wal Mart coming along. It is
common to find these types of enterprises crying that Wal Mart is going to
run them out of business, and then close immediately upon the opening of Wal
Mart. In fact, Wal Mart did not run them out of business, but was a
convenient excuse and even more conveniently, Wal Mart provided them with a
nice David and Goliath story.
--
-Mike-
mmarlowREMOVE@alltel.net
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Date: 06 Dec 2006 13:43:41
From: Brian Elfert
Subject: Re: Home Depot - what a bunch of maroons
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"Mike Marlow" <mmarlow@alltel.net > writes:
>I'd sure have to understand more about this decision to close a brand new
>Wal Mart. This is an anomoly in the world of Wal Mart. There certainly had
>to be factors surrounding the decision to close this particular store that
>you left out, either because you're not aware of them or you are trying to
>skew a point by limiting the "facts" to an abreviated list of occurances.
It is not at unusual for Walmart to close an existing Walmart store and
open a brand new Supercenter a few miles away. In some cases, they can't
get approval to renovate an existing store into a Supercenter so they just
close it and build new elsewhere.
I personally know two locations where Walmart built a new Supercenter
within one block of an old store.
I read somewhere that Walmart has around 30 million square feet of empty
buildings they are trying to market. I'm sure the majority are old stores
replaced by new Supercenters. I've personally never heard or read of any
Walmart that closed without being replaced except a store in Canada that
formed a union.
I don't see a big market for closed Walmarts since not too many stores
are looking for a 75,000 square foot building.
Brian Elfert
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Date: 06 Dec 2006 09:24:18
From: Mike Marlow
Subject: Re: Home Depot - what a bunch of maroons
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"Brian Elfert" <belfert@visi.com > wrote in message
news:12ndi8d75a4vbef@corp.supernews.com...
> "Mike Marlow" <mmarlow@alltel.net> writes:
>
> >I'd sure have to understand more about this decision to close a brand new
> >Wal Mart. This is an anomoly in the world of Wal Mart. There certainly
had
> >to be factors surrounding the decision to close this particular store
that
> >you left out, either because you're not aware of them or you are trying
to
> >skew a point by limiting the "facts" to an abreviated list of occurances.
>
> It is not at unusual for Walmart to close an existing Walmart store and
> open a brand new Supercenter a few miles away. In some cases, they can't
> get approval to renovate an existing store into a Supercenter so they just
> close it and build new elsewhere.
>
Correct. That's the point I was trying to steer the other poster to.
Growth is one thing but to posture so as to make that growth look like
abandonment is something entirely different. At one time Wal Mart's store
model was that of a discount store. Today it is that of a Super Center -
because the supercenter model has been hugely successful. This is a natural
evolution of a successful venture and far from the abandonment that the
other poster implied.
--
-Mike-
mmarlowREMOVE@alltel.net
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Date: 06 Dec 2006 13:35:20
From: Brian Elfert
Subject: Re: Home Depot - what a bunch of maroons
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"Mike Marlow" <mmarlow@alltel.net > writes:
>which compete at some level with the Wal Mart or the Home Depot. I've
>posted here before that Ace Hardware tells their franchise owners who are
>worried about a new Wal Mart coming into their area that the best thing that
>could happen for their business is that Wal Mart would open right across the
>street from them.
There is a Super Walmart in Beatrice, Nebraska population 12,000. Also a
Tractor Supply and a few few other chain stores.
My friend and I were visiting town a few years back and needed some
plumbing parts for my RV. We drove all over town looking for a hardware
store. We finally stopped at a small CO-OP for directions and were told
that both hardware stores had gone out of business since Walmart opened.
There may have been other reasons besides Walmart that both hardware
stores failed, but it seems awful coincidental.
We ended up buying some fuel hose and clamps from Autozone for a temporary
fix.
Brian Elfert
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Date: 11 Dec 2006 16:38:54
From: Rod & Betty Jo
Subject: Re: Home Depot - what a bunch of maroons
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"Brian Elfert" <belfert@visi.com > wrote in message
news:12ndhoo4c7md08c@corp.supernews.com...
> There may have been other reasons besides Walmart that both hardware
> stores failed, but it seems awful coincidental.
>
> We ended up buying some fuel hose and clamps from Autozone for a temporary
> fix.
>
> Brian Elfert
Think about what any respectable hardware stores inventory/ product are Vs
what is available in a typical Walmart hardware section.....I don't think
they really compete. Now grocery store selection is another story but for
the last hundred years bigger stores have driven out smaller stores many
times over....Safeway, A&P etc.....nothing unique about Walmart competition
on that front. Department stores also have a long history of bigger stores
driving out smaller stores, Wards, Sears etc. all built empires (some
temporary) by bringing more products cheaper to the market place.......The
typical rant against Walmarts "unfair" competition reeks of
hypocrocy.....speaking of why does Target get a walk? Rod
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Date: 12 Dec 2006 17:34:59
From: Brian Elfert
Subject: Re: Home Depot - what a bunch of maroons
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"Rod & Betty Jo" <soggy45@hotmail.com > writes:
>"Brian Elfert" <belfert@visi.com> wrote in message
>news:12ndhoo4c7md08c@corp.supernews.com...
>> There may have been other reasons besides Walmart that both hardware
>> stores failed, but it seems awful coincidental.
>>
>> We ended up buying some fuel hose and clamps from Autozone for a temporary
>> fix.
>>
>> Brian Elfert
>Think about what any respectable hardware stores inventory/ product are Vs
>what is available in a typical Walmart hardware section.....I don't think
>they really compete. Now grocery store selection is another story but for
>the last hundred years bigger stores have driven out smaller stores many
>times over....Safeway, A&P etc.....nothing unique about Walmart competition
>on that front. Department stores also have a long history of bigger stores
>driving out smaller stores, Wards, Sears etc. all built empires (some
>temporary) by bringing more products cheaper to the market place.......The
>typical rant against Walmarts "unfair" competition reeks of
>hypocrocy.....speaking of why does Target get a walk? Rod
I never said the reason both hardware stores closed was because of
Walmart. It does seems more than a coincidence they both closed after
Walmart opened up.
The locals said the hardware stores couldn't compete on the stuff Walmart
does sell like paint, power equipment, and general hardware. The
specialized stuff Walmart didn't have wasn't enough to keep them going.
Target is different because they didn't start out targeting small towns in
rural areas like Walmart. Target has generally treated workers better
including good health coverage for part timers until 12 to 18 months ago.
Brian Elfert
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Date: 06 Dec 2006 11:56:16
From: Doug Miller
Subject: Re: Home Depot - what a bunch of maroons
|
In article <9n5cn2p6avft7vc7ufs628lbgbsn2mipup@4ax.com >, Mike 'Flyin'8' <yeah.right@guess.again> wrote:
>To make sure there is no hidden words in your text that I am missing,
>I will write it out in exact terms...
>
>-It is a fact that Wal Mart moved into Bixby.
>-It is a fact that shortly there after, a large number of the small
>privately owned retailers (Mom and Pop shops if you will) located in
>and near the town closed up shop and ceased to operate as a business
>entity.
>-It is a fact, that less than 5 years after opening, Wal Mart pulled
>up stakes and left.
>
>Those are the facts of one small rural town. Call it a falisy if you
>like.
The word is "fallacy". And speaking of fallacies... it is NOT a fact that
Bixby OK is a "small rural town". Bixby OK is a suburb of Tulsa, with a
population of some 16 or 18 thousand.
Bixby is right on the Arkansas River. There are four or five WalMart stores
just across the river from Bixby.
So... if you couldn't get even that little bit right, it doesn't seem there's
much reason to put any stock in your other claims, either. Care to
substantiate them? Note: "everybody knows it happened" won't fly. Let's see
some actual, you know, *proof*.
--
Regards,
Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com)
It's time to throw all their damned tea in the harbor again.
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Date: 06 Dec 2006 17:18:56
From: Mike 'Flyin'8'
Subject: Re: Home Depot - what a bunch of maroons
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I lived there about 20 years ago... It was not even near 16-18k when
WalMart came and abruptly left. You are trying to teach the wrong
person about Bixby from the era of Wal Mart.
On Wed, 06 Dec 2006 11:56:16 GMT, spambait@milmac.com (Doug Miller)
wrote:
>In article <9n5cn2p6avft7vc7ufs628lbgbsn2mipup@4ax.com>, Mike 'Flyin'8' <yeah.right@guess.again> wrote:
>>To make sure there is no hidden words in your text that I am missing,
>>I will write it out in exact terms...
>>
>>-It is a fact that Wal Mart moved into Bixby.
>>-It is a fact that shortly there after, a large number of the small
>>privately owned retailers (Mom and Pop shops if you will) located in
>>and near the town closed up shop and ceased to operate as a business
>>entity.
>>-It is a fact, that less than 5 years after opening, Wal Mart pulled
>>up stakes and left.
>>
>>Those are the facts of one small rural town. Call it a falisy if you
>>like.
>
>The word is "fallacy". And speaking of fallacies... it is NOT a fact that
>Bixby OK is a "small rural town". Bixby OK is a suburb of Tulsa, with a
>population of some 16 or 18 thousand.
>
>Bixby is right on the Arkansas River. There are four or five WalMart stores
>just across the river from Bixby.
>
>So... if you couldn't get even that little bit right, it doesn't seem there's
>much reason to put any stock in your other claims, either. Care to
>substantiate them? Note: "everybody knows it happened" won't fly. Let's see
>some actual, you know, *proof*.
Mike Alexander
PP-ASEL
Temecula, CA
See my online aerial photo album at
http://flying.4alexanders.com
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Date: 06 Dec 2006 22:42:59
From: Mike Marlow
Subject: Re: Home Depot - what a bunch of maroons
|
"Mike 'Flyin'8'" <yeah.right@guess.again > wrote in message
news:7tqen25ma5fobb2ggfeem33jeoat70esp3@4ax.com...
> I lived there about 20 years ago... It was not even near 16-18k when
> WalMart came and abruptly left. You are trying to teach the wrong
> person about Bixby from the era of Wal Mart.
>
What was the address of that Wal Mart store? Simple street name is good
enough.
--
-Mike-
mmarlowREMOVE@alltel.net
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Date: 07 Dec 2006 16:45:28
From: Mike 'Flyin'8'
Subject: Re: Home Depot - what a bunch of maroons
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The best I can recall it was at S Memorial Drive and 151st...
On Wed, 6 Dec 2006 22:42:59 -0500, "Mike Marlow" <mmarlow@alltel.net >
wrote:
>
>"Mike 'Flyin'8'" <yeah.right@guess.again> wrote in message
>news:7tqen25ma5fobb2ggfeem33jeoat70esp3@4ax.com...
>
>> I lived there about 20 years ago... It was not even near 16-18k when
>> WalMart came and abruptly left. You are trying to teach the wrong
>> person about Bixby from the era of Wal Mart.
>>
>
>What was the address of that Wal Mart store? Simple street name is good
>enough.
Mike Alexander
PP-ASEL
Temecula, CA
See my online aerial photo album at
http://flying.4alexanders.com
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Date: 08 Dec 2006 08:15:41
From: Mike Marlow
Subject: Re: Home Depot - what a bunch of maroons
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"Mike 'Flyin'8'" <yeah.right@guess.again > wrote in message
news:lbdhn2lgmr5v8p81qqukfv76tg9680s486@4ax.com...
> The best I can recall it was at S Memorial Drive and 151st...
>
Thanks Mike. I guessed that it might have been the Memorial Drive store.
That store appears to have just recently undergone a re-birth, having been
on Memorial Drive since 1990. That would make your assertion at least
somewhat true in that it appears the Memorial Drive store was relocated from
a near by location in 1990. That's a lot different from the original
assertion that Wal Mart came in, businesses left (still unproven as even
being associated with Wal Mart entering), and then Wal Mart left. It
appears they did not leave at all but simply relocated near by in 1990.
That would be growth, not leaving.
--
-Mike-
mmarlowREMOVE@alltel.net
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Date: 07 Dec 2006 01:24:00
From: Doug Miller
Subject: Re: Home Depot - what a bunch of maroons
|
In article <7tqen25ma5fobb2ggfeem33jeoat70esp3@4ax.com >, Mike 'Flyin'8' <yeah.right@guess.again> wrote:
>I lived there about 20 years ago... It was not even near 16-18k when
>WalMart came and abruptly left. You are trying to teach the wrong
>person about Bixby from the era of Wal Mart.
OK, fine -- but I'm still waiting for some actual facts. You haven't supplied
any yet.
>
>
>On Wed, 06 Dec 2006 11:56:16 GMT, spambait@milmac.com (Doug Miller)
>wrote:
>
>>In article <9n5cn2p6avft7vc7ufs628lbgbsn2mipup@4ax.com>, Mike 'Flyin'8'
> <yeah.right@guess.again> wrote:
>>>To make sure there is no hidden words in your text that I am missing,
>>>I will write it out in exact terms...
>>>
>>>-It is a fact that Wal Mart moved into Bixby.
>>>-It is a fact that shortly there after, a large number of the small
>>>privately owned retailers (Mom and Pop shops if you will) located in
>>>and near the town closed up shop and ceased to operate as a business
>>>entity.
>>>-It is a fact, that less than 5 years after opening, Wal Mart pulled
>>>up stakes and left.
>>>
>>>Those are the facts of one small rural town. Call it a falisy if you
>>>like.
>>
>>The word is "fallacy". And speaking of fallacies... it is NOT a fact that
>>Bixby OK is a "small rural town". Bixby OK is a suburb of Tulsa, with a
>>population of some 16 or 18 thousand.
>>
>>Bixby is right on the Arkansas River. There are four or five WalMart stores
>>just across the river from Bixby.
>>
>>So... if you couldn't get even that little bit right, it doesn't seem there's
>>much reason to put any stock in your other claims, either. Care to
>>substantiate them? Note: "everybody knows it happened" won't fly. Let's see
>>some actual, you know, *proof*.
>
>
>Mike Alexander
>PP-ASEL
>Temecula, CA
>See my online aerial photo album at
>http://flying.4alexanders.com
--
Regards,
Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com)
It's time to throw all their damned tea in the harbor again.
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Date: 06 Dec 2006 19:12:26
From: Mike 'Flyin'8'
Subject: Re: Home Depot - what a bunch of maroons
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Are you blind, or can't you read?
-It is a fact that Wal Mart moved into Bixby.
-It is a fact that shortly there after, a large number of the small
privately owned retailers (Mom and Pop shops if you will) located in
and near the town closed up shop and ceased to operate as a business
entity.
-It is a fact, that less than 5 years after opening, Wal Mart pulled
up stakes and left.
Those are the facts.
Here is the meaning of fact should you choose to read it...
fact /fækt/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[fakt]
noun
1. something that actually exists; reality; truth
2. something known to exist or to have happened: Space travel is now a
fact.
3. a truth known by actual experience or observation; something known
to be true
On Thu, 07 Dec 2006 01:24:00 GMT, spambait@milmac.com (Doug Miller)
wrote:
>In article <7tqen25ma5fobb2ggfeem33jeoat70esp3@4ax.com>, Mike 'Flyin'8' <yeah.right@guess.again> wrote:
>>I lived there about 20 years ago... It was not even near 16-18k when
>>WalMart came and abruptly left. You are trying to teach the wrong
>>person about Bixby from the era of Wal Mart.
>
>OK, fine -- but I'm still waiting for some actual facts. You haven't supplied
>any yet.
>>
>>
>>On Wed, 06 Dec 2006 11:56:16 GMT, spambait@milmac.com (Doug Miller)
>>wrote:
>>
>>>In article <9n5cn2p6avft7vc7ufs628lbgbsn2mipup@4ax.com>, Mike 'Flyin'8'
>> <yeah.right@guess.again> wrote:
>>>>To make sure there is no hidden words in your text that I am missing,
>>>>I will write it out in exact terms...
>>>>
>>>>-It is a fact that Wal Mart moved into Bixby.
>>>>-It is a fact that shortly there after, a large number of the small
>>>>privately owned retailers (Mom and Pop shops if you will) located in
>>>>and near the town closed up shop and ceased to operate as a business
>>>>entity.
>>>>-It is a fact, that less than 5 years after opening, Wal Mart pulled
>>>>up stakes and left.
>>>>
>>>>Those are the facts of one small rural town. Call it a falisy if you
>>>>like.
>>>
>>>The word is "fallacy". And speaking of fallacies... it is NOT a fact that
>>>Bixby OK is a "small rural town". Bixby OK is a suburb of Tulsa, with a
>>>population of some 16 or 18 thousand.
>>>
>>>Bixby is right on the Arkansas River. There are four or five WalMart stores
>>>just across the river from Bixby.
>>>
>>>So... if you couldn't get even that little bit right, it doesn't seem there's
>>>much reason to put any stock in your other claims, either. Care to
>>>substantiate them? Note: "everybody knows it happened" won't fly. Let's see
>>>some actual, you know, *proof*.
>>
>>
>>Mike Alexander
>>PP-ASEL
>>Temecula, CA
>>See my online aerial photo album at
>>http://flying.4alexanders.com
Mike Alexander
PP-ASEL
Temecula, CA
See my online aerial photo album at
http://flying.4alexanders.com
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Date: 07 Dec 2006 11:44:16
From: Doug Miller
Subject: Re: Home Depot - what a bunch of maroons
|
In article <6f1fn2dotcu309ldvn6jd9lih7fu3i68jf@4ax.com >, Mike 'Flyin'8' <yeah.right@guess.again> wrote:
>Are you blind, or can't you read?
Are you stupid?
>
>-It is a fact that Wal Mart moved into Bixby.
>-It is a fact that shortly there after, a large number of the small
>privately owned retailers (Mom and Pop shops if you will) located in
>and near the town closed up shop and ceased to operate as a business
>entity.
>-It is a fact, that less than 5 years after opening, Wal Mart pulled
>up stakes and left.
>
>Those are the facts.
No, those are your _claims_. Substantiate them, and I'll agree they're facts.
>
>Here is the meaning of fact should you choose to read it...
Don't lecture me on the meaning of the word "fact" when you yourself
are clearly unable to distinguish it from the word "claim".
--
Regards,
Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com)
It's time to throw all their damned tea in the harbor again.
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Date: 07 Dec 2006 23:19:59
From:
Subject: Re: Home Depot - what a bunch of maroons
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> >Those are the facts.
>
> No, those are your _claims_. Substantiate them, and I'll agree they're
> facts.
> >
> >Here is the meaning of fact should you choose to read it...
>
> Don't lecture me on the meaning of the word "fact" when you yourself
> are clearly unable to distinguish it from the word "claim".
Fine, I give up.
If you want to ignore the truth... suit yourself.
--
Mike Flyin'8
PP-ASEL
Temecula, CA
http://flying.4alexanders.com
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Date: 08 Dec 2006 00:42:16
From: Doug Miller
Subject: Re: Home Depot - what a bunch of maroons
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In article <20061207182322.032$cL@newsreader.com >, Flyin'8@here.com wrote:
>> >Those are the facts.
>>
>> No, those are your _claims_. Substantiate them, and I'll agree they're
>> facts.
>> >
>> >Here is the meaning of fact should you choose to read it...
>>
>> Don't lecture me on the meaning of the word "fact" when you yourself
>> are clearly unable to distinguish it from the word "claim".
>
>Fine, I give up.
>If you want to ignore the truth... suit yourself.
>
All you've posted here is what you *claim* to be the truth. I've challenged
you repeatedly to substantiate those claims, which you have so far shown
yourself unwilling (or unable) to do -- so I'll be ignoring your
unsubstantiated claims. *You* are the one ignoring the truth; to wit, that you
haven't actually posted any facts yet.
--
Regards,
Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com)
It's time to throw all their damned tea in the harbor again.
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Date: 07 Dec 2006 20:19:34
From: Nova
Subject: Re: Home Depot - what a bunch of maroons
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Mike 'Flyin'8' wrote:
> -It is a fact, that less than 5 years after opening, Wal Mart pulled
> up stakes and left.
>
> Those are the facts.
WalMart stores within 10 miles of Bixby, OK:
1. Wal-Mart Supercenter Store #1597
4.26 miles from Bixby
2. Wal-Mart Supercenter Store #3295
5.84 miles from Bixby
3. Neighborhood Market Store #2395
6.88 miles from Bixby
4. Neighborhood Market Store #2880
7.27 miles from Bixby
5. Neighborhood Market Store #3508
7.80 miles from Bixby
6. Wal-Mart Supercenter Store #992
8.37 miles from Bixby
7. Wal-Mart Store #894
8.56 miles from Bixby
8. Wal-Mart Supercenter Store #472
9.07 miles from Bixby
There are quite a few other stores in the Tulsa area.
It looks like WalMart still has a pretty strong presence in and around
Bixby.
--
Jack Novak
Buffalo, NY - USA
novasys@verizon.net
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Date: 07 Dec 2006 23:11:05
From:
Subject: Re: Home Depot - what a bunch of maroons
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Fine... Is this also true for circa 1986?
Nova <novasys@verizon.net > wrote:
> Mike 'Flyin'8' wrote:
>
> > -It is a fact, that less than 5 years after opening, Wal Mart pulled
> > up stakes and left.
> >
> > Those are the facts.
>
> WalMart stores within 10 miles of Bixby, OK:
>
<SNIP 8 WALMARTS REALLY CLOSE TO BIXBY >
> There are quite a few other stores in the Tulsa area.
>
> It looks like WalMart still has a pretty strong presence in and around
> Bixby.
--
Mike Flyin'8
PP-ASEL
Temecula, CA
http://flying.4alexanders.com
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Date: 07 Dec 2006 18:25:47
From: Mike Marlow
Subject: Re: Home Depot - what a bunch of maroons
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<Flyin'8@here.com > wrote in message
news:20061207181428.266$Gh@newsreader.com...
> Fine... Is this also true for circa 1986?
>
And in 1986, just how big was Wal Mart? Are you saying that in 1986 they
were moving into areas and decimating the local businesses?
--
-Mike-
mmarlowREMOVE@alltel.net
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Date: 07 Dec 2006 16:40:57
From: Mike 'Flyin'8'
Subject: Re: Home Depot - what a bunch of maroons
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>
><Flyin'8@here.com> wrote in message
>news:20061207181428.266$Gh@newsreader.com...
>
>> Fine... Is this also true for circa 1986?
>>
>
>And in 1986, just how big was Wal Mart? Are you saying that in 1986 they
>were moving into areas and decimating the local businesses?
Nope... I am saying that in circa 1986, WalMart moved into Bixby and
small businesses left... WalMart soon followed...
This is not an anti WalMart campaign on my part. Frankly I could darn
near have my entire check auto-deposited into Sam's bank account
instead of mine and we could nearly call it even.
Mike Alexander
PP-ASEL
Temecula, CA
See my online aerial photo album at
http://flying.4alexanders.com
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Date: 09 Dec 2006 00:28:41
From: todd
Subject: Re: Home Depot - what a bunch of maroons
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"Mike 'Flyin'8'" <yeah.right@guess.again > wrote in message
news:n0dhn2d89e2foob58g3nhmcjludk2aqsdm@4ax.com...
> >
>><Flyin'8@here.com> wrote in message
>>news:20061207181428.266$Gh@newsreader.com...
>>
>>> Fine... Is this also true for circa 1986?
>>>
>>
>>And in 1986, just how big was Wal Mart? Are you saying that in 1986 they
>>were moving into areas and decimating the local businesses?
>
>
> Nope... I am saying that in circa 1986, WalMart moved into Bixby and
> small businesses left... WalMart soon followed...
>
> This is not an anti WalMart campaign on my part. Frankly I could darn
> near have my entire check auto-deposited into Sam's bank account
> instead of mine and we could nearly call it even.
You might want to familiarize yourself with the difference between
correlation and causation. A similar statement to the one you make above
would be "Sleeping with one's shoes on is strongly correlated with waking up
with a headache. Therefore, sleeping with one's shoes on causes headache."
(credit to Wikipedia).
todd
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Date: 10 Dec 2006 02:37:56
From: resrfglc
Subject: Re: Home Depot - what a bunch of maroons
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Post hoc, ergo proptor hoc
First order fallacy
"todd" <toddrf@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:1PudnYPT-cm9yufYnZ2dnUVZ_ua3nZ2d@comcast.com...
> "Mike 'Flyin'8'" <yeah.right@guess.again> wrote in message
> news:n0dhn2d89e2foob58g3nhmcjludk2aqsdm@4ax.com...
>> >
>>><Flyin'8@here.com> wrote in message
>>>news:20061207181428.266$Gh@newsreader.com...
>>>
>>>> Fine... Is this also true for circa 1986?
>>>>
>>>
>>>And in 1986, just how big was Wal Mart? Are you saying that in 1986 they
>>>were moving into areas and decimating the local businesses?
>>
>>
>> Nope... I am saying that in circa 1986, WalMart moved into Bixby and
>> small businesses left... WalMart soon followed...
>>
>> This is not an anti WalMart campaign on my part. Frankly I could darn
>> near have my entire check auto-deposited into Sam's bank account
>> instead of mine and we could nearly call it even.
>
> You might want to familiarize yourself with the difference between
> correlation and causation. A similar statement to the one you make above
> would be "Sleeping with one's shoes on is strongly correlated with waking
> up with a headache. Therefore, sleeping with one's shoes on causes
> headache." (credit to Wikipedia).
>
> todd
>
>
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Date: 12 Dec 2006 00:16:49
From: todd
Subject: Re: Home Depot - what a bunch of maroons
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"resrfglc" <tarballs@verizon.net > wrote in message
news:8qKeh.520$IO5.385@trnddc01...
> "todd" <toddrf@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1PudnYPT-cm9yufYnZ2dnUVZ_ua3nZ2d@comcast.com...
>> "Mike 'Flyin'8'" <yeah.right@guess.again> wrote in message
>> news:n0dhn2d89e2foob58g3nhmcjludk2aqsdm@4ax.com...
>>> >
>>>><Flyin'8@here.com> wrote in message
>>>>news:20061207181428.266$Gh@newsreader.com...
>>>>
>>>>> Fine... Is this also true for circa 1986?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>And in 1986, just how big was Wal Mart? Are you saying that in 1986
>>>>they
>>>>were moving into areas and decimating the local businesses?
>>>
>>>
>>> Nope... I am saying that in circa 1986, WalMart moved into Bixby and
>>> small businesses left... WalMart soon followed...
>>>
>>> This is not an anti WalMart campaign on my part. Frankly I could darn
>>> near have my entire check auto-deposited into Sam's bank account
>>> instead of mine and we could nearly call it even.
>>
>> You might want to familiarize yourself with the difference between
>> correlation and causation. A similar statement to the one you make above
>> would be "Sleeping with one's shoes on is strongly correlated with waking
>> up with a headache. Therefore, sleeping with one's shoes on causes
>> headache." (credit to Wikipedia).
>>
>> todd
>
> Post hoc, ergo proptor hoc
>
> First order fallacy
I assume this is directed at Mike's response.
todd
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Date: 08 Dec 2006 20:30:03
From: Brian Henderson
Subject: Re: Home Depot - what a bunch of maroons
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On Thu, 07 Dec 2006 20:19:34 GMT, Nova <novasys@verizon.net > wrote:
>It looks like WalMart still has a pretty strong presence in and around
> Bixby.
Shhhhh, don't confuse them with the facts.
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Date: 06 Dec 2006 20:25:36
From: Brian Henderson
Subject: Re: Home Depot - what a bunch of maroons
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On Tue, 05 Dec 2006 17:12:15 -0800, Mike 'Flyin'8'
<yeah.right@guess.again > wrote:
>-It is a fact that Wal Mart moved into Bixby.
Gotcha.
>-It is a fact that shortly there after, a large number of the small
>privately owned retailers (Mom and Pop shops if you will) located in
>and near the town closed up shop and ceased to operate as a business
>entity.
Because their customers chose, of thier own free will, to shop
somewhere else. The mom & pop stores closed because they couldn't
compete. Competition is the cornerstone of capitalism.
>-It is a fact, that less than 5 years after opening, Wal Mart pulled
>up stakes and left.
Likely because they weren't making a profit. Are you saying that the
mom & pop stores can't re-open now that they can compete again?
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Date: 06 Dec 2006 17:21:25
From: Mike 'Flyin'8'
Subject: Re: Home Depot - what a bunch of maroons
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>On Tue, 05 Dec 2006 17:12:15 -0800, Mike 'Flyin'8'
><yeah.right@guess.again> wrote:
>
>>-It is a fact that Wal Mart moved into Bixby.
>
>Gotcha.
>
>>-It is a fact that shortly there after, a large number of the small
>>privately owned retailers (Mom and Pop shops if you will) located in
>>and near the town closed up shop and ceased to operate as a business
>>entity.
>
>Because their customers chose, of thier own free will, to shop
>somewhere else. The mom & pop stores closed because they couldn't
>compete. Competition is the cornerstone of capitalism.
>
You are correct. But that was not th OP's comment either.
>>-It is a fact, that less than 5 years after opening, Wal Mart pulled
>>up stakes and left.
>
>Likely because they weren't making a profit. Are you saying that the
>mom & pop stores can't re-open now that they can compete again?
Same as above.
Mike Alexander
PP-ASEL
Temecula, CA
See my online aerial photo album at
http://flying.4alexanders.com
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Date: 06 Dec 2006 22:41:52
From: Mike Marlow
Subject: Re: Home Depot - what a bunch of maroons
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"Mike 'Flyin'8'" <yeah.right@guess.again > wrote in message
news:b3ren21kb0f8nre87l0t6f1huq92fefqcq@4ax.com...
> >Because their customers chose, of thier own free will, to shop
> >somewhere else. The mom & pop stores closed because they couldn't
> >compete. Competition is the cornerstone of capitalism.
> >
>
> You are correct. But that was not th OP's comment either.
That was precisely my original point when I stated that the idea that Wal
Mart drives out small businesses is a fallacy.
--
-Mike-
mmarlowREMOVE@alltel.net
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Date: 07 Dec 2006 18:40:44
From: Brian Henderson
Subject: Re: Home Depot - what a bunch of maroons
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On Wed, 06 Dec 2006 17:21:25 -0800, Mike 'Flyin'8'
<yeah.right@guess.again > wrote:
>You are correct. But that was not th OP's comment either.
No, the OP was asserting that it's somehow Walmart's fault that mom &
pop stores can't compete, but also that it's Walmart's responsibility
to stick around if they're not making a profit. I pointed out that
both were wrong.
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Date: 07 Dec 2006 23:16:28
From:
Subject: Re: Home Depot - what a bunch of maroons
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I agree that it is certainly not WalMart's fault that another business can
not compete. I also agreethat it is not there responsibility to operate a
non-profit business. I never even expressed a concern remotely close to
either of these. I only bring the facts to the table about one small town
that had a WalMart, small businesses went away as a direct result. This was
soon followed by WalMarts departure.
Brian Henderson <BrianL.Henderson@NOSPAM.verizon.net > wrote:
> On Wed, 06 Dec 2006 17:21:25 -0800, Mike 'Flyin'8'
> <yeah.right@guess.again> wrote:
>
> >You are correct. But that was not th OP's comment either.
>
> No, the OP was asserting that it's somehow Walmart's fault that mom &
> pop stores can't compete, but also that it's Walmart's responsibility
> to stick around if they're not making a profit. I pointed out that
> both were wrong.
--
Mike Flyin'8
PP-ASEL
Temecula, CA
http://flying.4alexanders.com
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Date: 08 Dec 2006 00:43:13
From: Doug Miller
Subject: Re: Home Depot - what a bunch of maroons
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In article <20061207181950.814$fs@newsreader.com >, Flyin'8@here.com wrote:
>I agree that it is certainly not WalMart's fault that another business can
>not compete. I also agreethat it is not there responsibility to operate a
>non-profit business. I never even expressed a concern remotely close to
>either of these. I only bring the facts to the table about one small town
>that had a WalMart, small businesses went away as a direct result. This was
>soon followed by WalMarts departure.
Correction: you bring to the table these unsubstantiated claims. Not facts.
--
Regards,
Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com)
It's time to throw all their damned tea in the harbor again.
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Date: 07 Dec 2006 19:24:30
From: Mike 'Flyin'8'
Subject: Re: Home Depot - what a bunch of maroons
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Definition of Fact is:
a truth known by actual experience or observation
I know it to be true by observation and experience.
On Fri, 08 Dec 2006 00:43:13 GMT, spambait@milmac.com (Doug Miller)
wrote:
>In article <20061207181950.814$fs@newsreader.com>, Flyin'8@here.com wrote:
>>I agree that it is certainly not WalMart's fault that another business can
>>not compete. I also agreethat it is not there responsibility to operate a
>>non-profit business. I never even expressed a concern remotely close to
>>either of these. I only bring the facts to the table about one small town
>>that had a WalMart, small businesses went away as a direct result. This was
>>soon followed by WalMarts departure.
>
>Correction: you bring to the table these unsubstantiated claims. Not facts.
Mike Alexander
PP-ASEL
Temecula, CA
See my online aerial photo album at
http://flying.4alexanders.com
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Date: 08 Dec 2006 08:36:13
From: Swingman
Subject: Re: Home Depot - what a bunch of maroons
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"Mike 'Flyin'8'" wrote in message
> I know it to be true by observation and experience.
What is "true", from observation and experience, and besides overriding my
filters, is that you're arguing with someone who is basically here to do
nothing but, so just block him and be done with it ... guaranteed that
you'll have less argumentative crap to wade through.
--
www.e-woodshop.net
Last update: 10/29/06
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Date: 08 Dec 2006 15:53:33
From:
Subject: Re: Home Depot - what a bunch of maroons
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Ah... I will take your advice. Thanks for the heads up.
"Swingman" <kac@nospam.com > wrote:
> "Mike 'Flyin'8'" wrote in message
>
> > I know it to be true by observation and experience.
>
> What is "true", from observation and experience, and besides overriding
> my filters, is that you're arguing with someone who is basically here to
> do nothing but, so just block him and be done with it ... guaranteed that
> you'll have less argumentative crap to wade through.
--
Mike Flyin'8
PP-ASEL
Temecula, CA
http://flying.4alexanders.com
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Date: 08 Dec 2006 16:23:11
From: Doug Miller
Subject: Re: Home Depot - what a bunch of maroons
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In article <20061208105704.603$pl@newsreader.com >, Flyin'8@here.com wrote:
>Ah... I will take your advice. Thanks for the heads up.
I argue with people who post nonsense. If that upsets you, don't post
nonsense.
--
Regards,
Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com)
It's time to throw all their damned tea in the harbor again.
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Date: 08 Dec 2006 11:33:15
From:
Subject: Re: Home Depot - what a bunch of maroons
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In article <Pjgeh.27807$wP1.23531@newssvr14.news.prodigy.net >,
Doug Miller <spambait@milmac.com > wrote:
<...snipped... >
>I argue with people who post nonsense...
>
>--
Is that a fact or a claim?
--
Make it as simple as possible, but no simpler.
Larry Wasserman - Baltimore Maryland - lwasserm@charm.net
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Date: 08 Dec 2006 17:37:00
From: Doug Miller
Subject: Re: Home Depot - what a bunch of maroons
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In article <VPGdnR-G3dxGPOTYnZ2dnUVZ_u-dnZ2d@charm.net >, lwasserm@fellspt.charm.net () wrote:
>In article <Pjgeh.27807$wP1.23531@newssvr14.news.prodigy.net>,
>Doug Miller <spambait@milmac.com> wrote:
><...snipped...>
>>I argue with people who post nonsense...
>
>Is that a fact or a claim?
Take your pick. :-)
--
Regards,
Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com)
It's time to throw all their damned tea in the harbor again.
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Date: 08 Dec 2006 13:00:04
From: Doug Miller
Subject: Re: Home Depot - what a bunch of maroons
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In article <ilmhn2lkvmv37b3udoh7cq2lda6l0qb91j@4ax.com >, Mike 'Flyin'8' <yeah.right@guess.again> wrote:
>Definition of Fact is:
>a truth known by actual experience or observation
I see you're still having trouble understanding the difference between a
"fact" and a "claim". Perhaps I can help.
Fact: "something that has been objectively verified."
Claim: "an assertion of truth."
[American Heritage Dictionary]
See the difference now?
>
>I know it to be true by observation and experience.
In other words -- you *still* are unable to substantiate your claims. You are
not entitled to have them regarded by others as facts until you do.
--
Regards,
Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com)
It's time to throw all their damned tea in the harbor again.
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Date: 08 Dec 2006 20:33:09
From: Brian Henderson
Subject: Re: Home Depot - what a bunch of maroons
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On 07 Dec 2006 23:16:28 GMT, Flyin'8@here.com wrote:
>I agree that it is certainly not WalMart's fault that another business can
>not compete. I also agreethat it is not there responsibility to operate a
>non-profit business. I never even expressed a concern remotely close to
>either of these. I only bring the facts to the table about one small town
>that had a WalMart, small businesses went away as a direct result. This was
>soon followed by WalMarts departure.
Which is fine, I was just pointing out that there were likely economic
realities involved that had nothing to do with Walmart being an evil
empire, especially in 1986. Bixby is still there, it didn't dry up
and blow away in the wind, and today there are not only 8 Walmarts in
the area, but tons of small business to boot.
Not sure what the complaint is.
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Date: 06 Dec 2006 20:23:31
From: Brian Henderson
Subject: Re: Home Depot - what a bunch of maroons
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On Tue, 5 Dec 2006 18:41:01 -0500, "Mike Marlow" <mmarlow@alltel.net >
wrote:
>So what you're saying is that Wal Mart or Home Depot moved into Bixby, drove
>out all of the mom-n-pop businesses (which has been demonstrated to be a
>falisy, but we'll assume it for the sake of the discussion), and then having
>successfully closed down all of these salt of the earth businesses, pulled
>out of Bixby themselves?
I still think it's amazing how many people completely misunderstand
capitalism. Walmart and HD do not drive *ANYONE* out of business. If
anything, it's the CUSTOMERS who choose, of their own free will, to
shop at Walmart and HD, that do it. Walmart and HD don't herd
customers at gunpoint into their stores, they simply offer lower
prices, because of their size and buying power, and people make the
CHOICE to shop there. So anyone who claims that Walmart and HD drive
anyone out of business is a bald-faced liar.
And if they moved out of Bixby, it's likely they couldn't make enough
money to make a profit, what do you expect them to do? They leave and
anyone else who wants to start a business again is welcome to.
It's called competition. It's the cornerstone of the economic system
of capitalism.
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Date: 05 Dec 2006 15:58:02
From: Lou
Subject: Re: Home Depot - what a bunch of maroons
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On Dec 5, 5:41 pm, "Mike Marlow" <mmar...@alltel.net > wrote:
> "Mike 'Flyin'8'" <yeah.ri...@guess.again> wrote in messagenews:taubn2l391d58bokrcjcs5bsnt99ug54t4@4ax.com...
>
> > Bixby, Oklahoma for one...So what you're saying is that Wal Mart or Home Depot moved into Bixby, drove
> out all of the mom-n-pop businesses (which has been demonstrated to be a
> falisy,
Falisy my ass. I see it happen quite a bit.
Lou
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Date: 06 Dec 2006 20:23:56
From: Brian Henderson
Subject: Re: Home Depot - what a bunch of maroons
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On 5 Dec 2006 15:58:02 -0800, "Lou" <loupark@hotmail.com > wrote:
>Falisy my ass. I see it happen quite a bit.
Then please show us just *ONE* documented example of HD or Walmart
forcing customers to shop in their stores. Just one. Put up or stick
a sock in it.
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Date: 06 Dec 2006 06:52:08
From: Robatoy
Subject: Re: Home Depot - what a bunch of maroons
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Mike Marlow wrote:
[brevitized]
> As in the case of many locations, some small businesses do fold when a big
> store moves in. They typically don't have the ability to compete with
> anyone, let alone Wal Mart, because they only existed based on a
> stranglehold they had on the area prior to Wal Mart coming along. [snip]
I know of a few examples in this area where hard working families
slugged it out to have a few quality stores which serviced the
community quite well. Many plowed a lot back into the community.
Many did a lot of work through service clubs. The families did well
because they filled a need.
One of them would drive an hour to another town and back every other
morning at 4 AM so that his customers could have a fresher banana.
Sometimes, on his way back, he'd stuff a few bananas in the mailbox of
some customers who he felt should stay in that day because the weather
sucked.
Meanwhile, his own kids were shopping at the huge K-Mart
SuperMegaGinormous Centre across the river. It ain't fair and it ain't
right.
Very few give a fark about values any more.
*cues some vinyl LP*
"Soon the pines will be falling everywhere
Village children fight each other for a share
And the 6:09 goes roaring past the creek
Deacon Lee prepares his sermon for next week
I saw grandma yesterday down at the store
Well she's really going fine for eighty four
Well she asked me if sometime I'd fix her barn
Poor old girl she needs a hand to run the farm
And it's good old country comfort in my bones
Just the sweetest sound my ears have ever known
Just an old-fashioned feeling fully-grown
Country comfort's in a truck that's going home
Down at the well they've got a new machine
The foreman says it cuts man-power by fifteen
Yeah but that ain't natural well so old Clay would say
You see he's a horse-drawn man until his dying day
Now the old fat goose is flying cross the sticks
The hedgehog's done in clay between the bricks
And the rocking chair's creaking on the porch
Across the valley moves the herdsman with his torch"
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Date: 11 Dec 2006 17:02:50
From: Rod & Betty Jo
Subject: Re: Home Depot - what a bunch of maroons
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"Robatoy" <design@topworks.ca > wrote in message
news:1165416727.889227.305680@j72g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> Meanwhile, his own kids were shopping at the huge K-Mart
> SuperMegaGinormous Centre across the river. It ain't fair and it ain't
> right.
>
> Very few give a fark about values any more.
What isn't fair, right and what does values have to do with paying more or
paying less or shopping in one place or another? In my Dad's youth my
neighborhood had a small grocery store on virtually every corner, in the
days of little refrigeration and few cars people shopped daily...they also
spent over 40% of their income on basic food.... they had few choices on
brands, products or price but often as not a really cool shopkeeper whom
gave the kids penny candy and the family some credit through the bad
times........compared to a modern store with endless aisles of every product
imaginable, choices galore and a price point only taking 15-20% of a
families income......Life is full of trade offs and for every gain (price)
there are certain loses (friendly shopkeeper) but fair has nothing to do
with it....and you can if you so choose do all of your shopping at the
nearest convenient quick mart but for some funny reason most do
not.......Rod
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Date: 06 Dec 2006 23:30:25
From: J. Clarke
Subject: Re: Home Depot - what a bunch of maroons
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On Wed, 06 Dec 2006 17:10:17 -0500, Locutus wrote:
> "J. Clarke" <Jclarke.usenet@cox.net> wrote in message
> news:el7cpb01qvg@news2.newsguy.com...
>> On Wed, 06 Dec 2006 20:23:31 +0000, Brian Henderson wrote:
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>> Says the Wal-Mart apologist. Kind of hard to compete with an operation
>> that is several orders of magnitude larger than yours unless you can find
>> some way other than price to differentiate yourself, and that is
>> difficult with mass-market consumer goods.
>>
>
> Maybe we need federal regulation on the price of the toilet paper and power
> drills?
Or maybe we just need to break up Wal-Mart.
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--John
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(was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)
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Date: 07 Dec 2006 18:46:00
From: Brian Henderson
Subject: Re: Home Depot - what a bunch of maroons
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On 6 Dec 2006 23:30:25 GMT, "J. Clarke" <Jclarke.usenet@cox.net >
wrote:
>Or maybe we just need to break up Wal-Mart.
Maybe you just need to grow up.
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Date: 06 Dec 2006 21:30:19
From: J. Clarke
Subject: Re: Home Depot - what a bunch of maroons
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On Wed, 06 Dec 2006 20:23:31 +0000, Brian Henderson wrote:
> On Tue, 5 Dec 2006 18:41:01 -0500, "Mike Marlow" <mmarlow@alltel.net>
> wrote:
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>>So what you're saying is that Wal Mart or Home Depot moved into Bixby, drove
>>out all of the mom-n-pop businesses (which has been demonstrated to be a
>>falisy, but we'll assume it for the sake of the discussion), and then having
>>successfully closed down all of these salt of the earth businesses, pulled
>>out of Bixby themselves?
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> I still think it's amazing how many people completely misunderstand
> capitalism. Walmart and HD do not drive *ANYONE* out of business. If
> anything, it's the CUSTOMERS who choose, of their own free will, to
> shop at Walmart and HD, that do it. Walmart and HD don't herd
> customers at gunpoint into their stores, they simply offer lower
> prices, because of their size and buying power, and people make the
> CHOICE to shop there. So anyone who claims that Walmart and HD drive
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