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Date: 23 Nov 2006 03:26:10
From: FoggyTown
Subject: Double finishing/protection necessary?
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A couple of times I've seen Norm (genuflect) give a project a coat or
two of finishing oil and THEN suggest that a couple coats of
polyurethane on top of that wouldn't go amiss. Somehow that just
doesn't seem very right, but I don't know why. Of course he tends to
coat almost EVERYTHING with poly. I think he gets off on the vapors.
FoggyTown
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Date: 23 Nov 2006 11:16:44
From: FoggyTown
Subject: Re: Double finishing/protection necessary?
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Lew Hodgett wrote:
> B A R R Y wrote:
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> > A very common, classic finish on white oak is a rubbing with BLO,
> > followed by sprayed nitrocellulose lacquer. Sitckley calls it
> > "Limestone Oak."
>
> I stumbled into finishing white oak with BLO.
>
> Very happy with results.
>
> Rather than use something like poly, lacquer or shellac, used bees wax
> cut 1:1 with turps over the BLO.
>
> IMHO, looks quite nice; however, piece is in a home occupied by adults
> and will not be exposed to tough duty.
>
>
> Lew
Sorry - what's BLO? I know tung, danish, blends.
FoggyTown
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Date: 23 Nov 2006 13:23:11
From: Don Fearn
Subject: Re: Double finishing/protection necessary?
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I think it was "FoggyTown" <foggytown@aol.com > who stated:
>Sorry - what's BLO? I know tung, danish, blends.
Boiled Linseed Oil
No need to be sorry . . . TLAs and ETLAs can take some getting used
to; I know, I've worked for IBM thirty years . . . .
Don
--
"What do *you* care what other people think?" --Arline Feynman
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Date: 24 Nov 2006 00:40:24
From: B A R R Y
Subject: Re: Double finishing/protection necessary?
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On Thu, 23 Nov 2006 13:23:11 -0600, Don Fearn <pooder@charter.net >
wrote:
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>Boiled Linseed Oil
It's cheap too, available at any hardware or paint store, and home
centers, at ~ $5/qt or $11/gal. Do not be swayed by boutique brands
of boiled linseed oil.
DO lay rags flat to dry, hang them in open air, or drop them in a
bucket of water. This is the stuff your shop teacher warned you about
when he mentioned "spontaneous combustion", and he wasn't kidding.
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Date: 23 Nov 2006 15:30:17
From: J. Clarke
Subject: Re: Double finishing/protection necessary?
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On Thu, 23 Nov 2006 13:50:57 +0000, Leon wrote:
> "Dave W" <woodwind@suscom-maine.net> wrote in message
> news:-8ednRXqsfKQO_jYnZ2dnUVZ_oadnZ2d@suscom-maine.net...
>> One of his heavy sponsors is PARKS, three guesses what they make.
>> Dave
>>
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> Thinner, Thinner, Thinner?
>
> I suspect he is using MinWax for the finishes.
Actually Parks is a division of Zinnser, which sells several polyurethane
finishes under the "Parks" brand. But I doubt that that's why he uses it.
--
--John
to email, dial "usenet" and validate
(was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)
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Date: 23 Nov 2006 14:58:32
From: B A R R Y
Subject: Re: Double finishing/protection necessary?
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On 23 Nov 2006 03:26:10 -0800, "FoggyTown" <foggytown@aol.com > wrote:
>A couple of times I've seen Norm (genuflect) give a project a coat or
>two of finishing oil and THEN suggest that a couple coats of
>polyurethane on top of that wouldn't go amiss.
Quite often, oil can give a pleasing tone, with protection and some
gloss added via a film finish.
A very common, classic finish on white oak is a rubbing with BLO,
followed by sprayed nitrocellulose lacquer. Sitckley calls it
"Limestone Oak."
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Date: 23 Nov 2006 16:51:20
From: Lew Hodgett
Subject: Re: Double finishing/protection necessary?
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B A R R Y wrote:
> A very common, classic finish on white oak is a rubbing with BLO,
> followed by sprayed nitrocellulose lacquer. Sitckley calls it
> "Limestone Oak."
I stumbled into finishing white oak with BLO.
Very happy with results.
Rather than use something like poly, lacquer or shellac, used bees wax
cut 1:1 with turps over the BLO.
IMHO, looks quite nice; however, piece is in a home occupied by adults
and will not be exposed to tough duty.
Lew
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Date: 23 Nov 2006 14:41:17
From: Leon
Subject: Re: Double finishing/protection necessary?
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"FoggyTown" <foggytown@aol.com > wrote in message
news:1164281169.961981.186580@l12g2000cwl.googlegroups.com...
>A couple of times I've seen Norm (genuflect) give a project a coat or
> two of finishing oil and THEN suggest that a couple coats of
> polyurethane on top of that wouldn't go amiss. Somehow that just
> doesn't seem very right, but I don't know why. Of course he tends to
> coat almost EVERYTHING with poly. I think he gets off on the vapors.
>
> FoggyTown
>
The oil is fine for a finish as long as you are very careful not to spill or
scratch the surface. The poly is stronger protection.
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Date: 23 Nov 2006 14:31:36
From: Toller
Subject: Re: Double finishing/protection necessary?
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"FoggyTown" <foggytown@aol.com > wrote in message
news:1164281169.961981.186580@l12g2000cwl.googlegroups.com...
>A couple of times I've seen Norm (genuflect) give a project a coat or
> two of finishing oil and THEN suggest that a couple coats of
> polyurethane on top of that wouldn't go amiss. Somehow that just
> doesn't seem very right, but I don't know why. Of course he tends to
> coat almost EVERYTHING with poly. I think he gets off on the vapors.
>
Never watched Norm, but I do it occasionally on butternut or some other
woods that respond really well to BLO. Unfortunately BLO does almost
nothing to protect the wood, so I will put pu over the oil.
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Date: 23 Nov 2006 08:45:37
From: Dave W
Subject: Re: Double finishing/protection necessary?
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One of his heavy sponsors is PARKS, three guesses what they make.
Dave
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Date: 23 Nov 2006 13:50:57
From: Leon
Subject: Re: Double finishing/protection necessary?
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"Dave W" <woodwind@suscom-maine.net > wrote in message
news:-8ednRXqsfKQO_jYnZ2dnUVZ_oadnZ2d@suscom-maine.net...
> One of his heavy sponsors is PARKS, three guesses what they make.
> Dave
>
Thinner, Thinner, Thinner?
I suspect he is using MinWax for the finishes.
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Date: 23 Nov 2006 13:57:08
From: FoggyTown
Subject: Re: Double finishing/protection necessary?
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Don Fearn wrote:
> I think it was "FoggyTown" <foggytown@aol.com> who stated:
>
>
> >Sorry - what's BLO? I know tung, danish, blends.
>
> Boiled Linseed Oil
>
> No need to be sorry . . . TLAs and ETLAs can take some getting used
> to; I know, I've worked for IBM thirty years . . . .
>
> Don
> --
TLAs? ETLAs? IBM? :)
FoggyTown
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Date: 23 Nov 2006 17:52:50
From: Don Fearn
Subject: Re: Double finishing/protection necessary?
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I think it was "FoggyTown" <foggytown@aol.com > who stated:
>
>Don Fearn wrote:
>> I think it was "FoggyTown" <foggytown@aol.com> who stated:
>>
>>
>> >Sorry - what's BLO? I know tung, danish, blends.
>>
>> Boiled Linseed Oil
>>
>> No need to be sorry . . . TLAs and ETLAs can take some getting used
>> to; I know, I've worked for IBM thirty years . . . .
>>
>> Don
>> --
>
>TLAs? ETLAs? IBM? :)
TLA = Three Letter Acronym (like "IBM" ;^)
ETLA = Extended TLA, where three aren't enough.
In my years at IBM, I actually ran into nested TLAs where one or more
of the letters stood for another TLA and sometimes the nesting went
three levels. I can't think of any examples; this whole topic is
making my brain hurt.
-Don
--
"What do *you* care what other people think?" --Arline Feynman
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Date: 24 Nov 2006 04:25:46
From: Andrew Barss
Subject: Re: Double finishing/protection necessary?
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Don Fearn <pooder@charter.net > wrote:
: TLA = Three Letter Acronym (like "IBM" ;^)
: ETLA = Extended TLA, where three aren't enough.
: In my years at IBM, I actually ran into nested TLAs where one or more
: of the letters stood for another TLA and sometimes the nesting went
: three levels. I can't think of any examples; this whole topic is
: making my brain hurt.
I'd be interested in seeing some of those.
There's also recursive acronyms, where one of the letters
stands for the overall acronym, e.g., SAAB (Saab Automobile
Aktiebolaget), and VISA (VISA International Service Association).
And there's a type I don't know the name of, but where one
of the words represented in the acronym appears elsewhere in the
overall term. ADAP (a chain of East Coast auto parts
dealers) was originally American Discount Auto Parts,
but was later renamed ADAp Discount Auto Parts.
-- Andy Barss
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Date: 24 Nov 2006 00:40:06
From: Morris Dovey
Subject: Re: Double finishing/protection necessary?
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Andrew Barss (in ek5s8a$kp8$1@onion.ccit.arizona.edu) said:
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Date: 24 Nov 2006 08:41:13
From: Larry Blanchard
Subject: Re: Double finishing/protection necessary?
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Andrew Barss wrote:
> There's also recursive acronyms, where one of the letters
> stands for the overall acronym, e.g., SAAB (Saab Automobile
> Aktiebolaget), and VISA (VISA International Service Association).
GNU is Not Unix :-).
--
It's turtles, all the way down
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Date: 24 Nov 2006 02:38:20
From: Andy Dingley
Subject: Re: Double finishing/protection necessary?
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FoggyTown wrote:
> A couple of times I've seen Norm (genuflect) give a project a coat or
> two of finishing oil and THEN suggest that a couple coats of
> polyurethane on top of that wouldn't go amiss.
Don't take Norm's advice on _anything_ to do with finishing.
That said, many variations of "shellac over oil" are well-established
and sensible techniques. Using yucky poly instead maybe not so much...
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